BiS weapons for rogues

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What are the new BiS weapons, because i just decided to move my 19 rogue to 39 and i know i cant get the vanquisher anymore. Any1 have an idea of any equivalent weapons i can still get?
 
EDIT: Forgot to read all of your post :p



Wasn't there an updated rogue guide?
 
It was faulty. I can't comment on what part, though.

For Combat MH, Sword of Decay is currently BiS. Otherwise, Rogues are a mystery to me.
 
Mallet and Vanquisher is still Bis IIRC but since they are both grandfathered they will be a bit hard to get.

As Tumblz said Sword of Decay is BiS for MH due to the speed. In OH i would use either Nordic Longshank, Fiendish Machete or Steelclaw Rapier.

For mutilate (which i prefere over ShS) i would go with Fiendish Skiv (grandfathered) or Dagger of Andorhall in mainhand and Stonevault Shiv in OH. You might wana switch use Charstone Dirk instead but i prefered that +5hit over +5 crit (and some minor dmg increse).



Good luck with your rogue.
 
Well Vanquisher Sword, many things burry her, for instance "midnight mace", 10agi=> 25AP + crit +dodge, (26 AP next patch) that's only 2-3 tiny AP behind VS. White loss ok. I think Fiendish machete is also in a right spot if you can fit it in your hit rating and is technically even better than midnight mace, and has pretty intense white dps. But I'm probably gonna go for midnight mace here. There is also Ginn-su sword. I'm pretty sure any of theses 3 beat VS.



my "AP set" like tumb like to call it, ok right, but I'm not gonna shoot myself in the foot for 2-3 AP either, 13 agi wow, where do I sign ?



So I guess rejoice new toons, I wouldn't recommend Vanquisher Sword anyway, I don't use it even tho I got it.
 
thanks guys, i'll probably post a new thread when im stuck again or when im almost fully geared and have mad ea video. Is there a updated 39 rogue guide anywhere?
 
i have a question about legionnaires sword (WSG REWARD) vs other choices (excluding mallet of ZF)

it offers solid white dps yet the stats are kinda meh'... getting more towards my basic question for other 39 rogues. Preferably which is more important, sacrificing some dps and speed for some agil+ crit+ or hit+ for some hard hitting BiS weapons (idk what BiS means) with strength. For example Ginn-Su Sword vs. Legionnaires Sword. Also... 20 agil or Mongoose for OH weps that are 2.50 speed or slower.... thanks in advance!
 
Genesis said:
i have a question about legionnaires sword (WSG REWARD) vs other choices (excluding mallet of ZF)

it offers solid white dps yet the stats are kinda meh'... getting more towards my basic question for other 39 rogues. Preferably which is more important, sacrificing some dps and speed for some agil+ crit+ or hit+ for some hard hitting BiS weapons (idk what BiS means) with strength. For example Ginn-Su Sword vs. Legionnaires Sword. Also... 20 agil or Mongoose for OH weps that are 2.50 speed or slower.... thanks in advance!
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Firstly, BiS = Best in Slot, the best item choice for the respective armor/weapon slot :)



Secondly, i am really not a rogue expert, so i stand by to be corrected by Donnie or others, but as far as i can see, if we are talking a non-dagger Main Hand choice, your best bet will still be to go for Sword of Decay. Sure Legionnaires Sword does more white dmg in constant combat, and has a 6.1 dps advantage on Sword of Decay but since your Instant Weapon Dmg abilities will scale at such an insane rate with a 3.40 speed weapon, your yellow dmg will easily make up for it and more. It also provides you with much bigger burst potential, for the many fights where you just won't be in close combat 100% of the time. In short for a main-hand you will firstly be looking at the speed of the weapon, for the most burst potential, then the dps of the weapon, and then stats.



As for Off-hand, and depending on specc, i would say stats are the first thing to look at, and that dps/speed comes in as a second factor if stats are more or less alike.



Im not sure if the speed enters that much into it regarding 20 agi vs mongoose. If you are subtelty and go around Ambushing people, go for the constant 20 agility, increasing the dmg and crit of your most important ability, that most probably will never benefit from the effect of mongoose.

If you find yourself opening more with Cheap shot and staying in combat with enemies for a period of time, go for mongoose.



Hope it helps, but as i said i am no rogue expert, so correct me if i'm wrong here people :)
 
In a main hand-weapon you want top-end damage, not speed. They generally correlate though. However, MoZF does have lower speed (as in a value closer to 1, implying faster hits) but still maintains a higher top-end damage due to its iLevel.
 
Tetrica said:
In a main hand-weapon you want top-end damage, not speed. They generally correlate though. However, MoZF does have lower speed (as in a value closer to 1, implying faster hits) but still maintains a higher top-end damage due to its iLevel.
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Well yeah but the point was to find a weapon excluding it, since it is grandfathered and can't be obtained anymore :)
 
Remember that special attacks have their AP contribution normalized to a set weapon speed depending on the weapon type. I don't remember for sure but all 1h maces/swords/axes are normalized for a 2.6 sec weapon speed and daggers are normalized to 1.8. What this means is that the only advantage [item]Sword of Decay[/item] has over other weapons is the white damage on the top end as additional damage from AP will scale as though the weapon was 2.6 seconds. A quick wowhead search would turn up the correct speeds at which different weapons scale iirc. Sorry that I can't comment on absolute BiS, but I can at least give you a tool to measure weapons by. You will want whatever weapon will net you the largest hemo/SS/mut so look at the raw topend, calculate DPS increase from AP, multiply that by whatever speed your weapon will normalize at and then add that to the topend on the weapon to get your weapon damage.



*Note that white attacks are not normalized and there may still be a few specials that aren't either
 
thank you for replying, you seem to know more than me so I will ask one last question about off hands i know you listed the importance of stats on OHs but what about speed? is it important to still have a slow weapon or not? if not i might begin to consider vanquisher's sword for the AP or Durdin's Hammer
 
Depends on what poison is in your offhand, instant and wound are a set proc per minute whereas deadly, crippling, and mindnumbing are a chance on hit. If you use wound poison OH speed is irrelevant, if you use deadly faster OH = more poison applications.
 
Bumping because I forgot to mention that the speed on sword of decay will increase your mongoose procs from special attacks by close to 30% so you will want to factor that in when deciding your MH weapon. Note that goose procs from white attacks will still be the standard ppm, you will only see an increase from specials.
 
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