BiS Boomkin Set

[Splosion]

No becuase thats only what i go after.
If you count BIS when you outdoor PvE quest yes mastery is not best.
But when you RAIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD, mastery is best for boomkins by far .

I'm talking about fights that last longer than 30sec. I.E. things you don't savagely outgear. describing a 1tank 8 dps burn fight boss literally describes only that type of fight. Please, post some numbers or just stop posting at all. Hurts my mind dealing with opinion-based assumptions.

 

[Nesyla]

I have been testing balance the past two days and i find myself better off with crit and mastery rather than anything else.

 

[frityr459]

I have been testing balance the past two days and i find myself better off with crit and mastery rather than anything else.

you go max mastery then rest crit and then haste.
I Wonder why all 80 druids all 85 boomkins that have decent gear / are good in PvE i played with and ALLLLLL in Legacy that play boomkin me Lee Xipe Chris.
GO for mastery then crit then haste, AND we have tested on dummy we tested in ICC we tested in Dragonsoul and when i was mastery crit / haste i ownd LEE in dps so hard becuase he was wrong reforged and then he changed to mastery crit haste on Ultrax pretty long fight and we did like same DPS with exactly same gear.

 

[Falkor]

how much dps on ultra

 

[Nesyla]

you go max mastery then rest crit and then haste.
I Wonder why all 80 druids all 85 boomkins that have decent gear / are good in PvE i played with and ALLLLLL in Legacy that play boomkin me Lee Xipe Chris.
GO for mastery then crit then haste, AND we have tested on dummy we tested in ICC we tested in Dragonsoul and when i was mastery crit / haste i ownd LEE in dps so hard becuase he was wrong reforged and then he changed to mastery crit haste on Ultrax pretty long fight and we did like same DPS with exactly same gear.

No.

I said Crit and Mastery, wile balancing the two. Going all out Mastery seems something rather stupid to do.

And i'm talkin about pvp here, not pve.

 

[Splosion]

you go max mastery then rest crit and then haste.
I Wonder why all 80 druids all 85 boomkins that have decent gear / are good in PvE i played with and ALLLLLL in Legacy that play boomkin me Lee Xipe Chris.
GO for mastery then crit then haste, AND we have tested on dummy we tested in ICC we tested in Dragonsoul and when i was mastery crit / haste i ownd LEE in dps so hard becuase he was wrong reforged and then he changed to mastery crit haste on Ultrax pretty long fight and we did like same DPS with exactly same gear.

This reminds me of the time where you said that you spent 5k gold doing different reforges for fire on your mage... It means absolutely nothing. BiS considers fights of appropriate length, not gimmicky stuff which ends in basically less time than your cooldowns have duration.

 

[frityr459]

This reminds me of the time where you said that you spent 5k gold doing different reforges for fire on your mage... It means absolutely nothing. BiS considers fights of appropriate length, not gimmicky stuff which ends in basically less time than your cooldowns have duration.

So you decide what is BIS from your time perspective?

AWSOME.

So what is BIS fights in time.
1 MIN
2 MIN
3 MIN
4 MIN
5 MIN
6 MIN????

 

[Zmirnøff]

To stop you ladies from arguing anymore with no proof on either side of the argument I decided to give you all some...

According to sims no matter what fight you're on Crit > Mastery > Haste is the way to go. If any of you actually give a shit about "BiS" you really should stop asking people on this site for help. Go help yourselves and download some sims and make your own profiles. Even using existing characters.

Quick edit actually, if you look at the graph on each fight the highest burst damage obtained was from Mastery>Crit>Haste so although you can't do a fight shorter than 100 seconds in Simcraft I reckon if your fight lasts around 30 seconds or so, yes Mastery>Crit>Haste would win out.

Notes about the sims, I couldn't be fucked changing the default simcraft code, so the fights are done with Cataclysm consumables. If you have a problem, go do it your damn self instead of arguing back and forth.

85 Druid, using Onkyo from Legacy as baseline with a few modifications.
Onkyo @ The Maelstrom - Community - World of Warcraft


990 Int stacking Trinket + Jade Spirit + Blacksmithing + Gemming & Reforges = Changes.


Chardev Profiles
Mastery > Haste > Crit - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
Haste > Crit > Mastery - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
Crit > Haste > Mastery - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
Haste > Mastery > Crit - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
Mastery > Crit > Haste - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
Crit > Mastery > Haste - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA


Fight Length


Short Burst = 100s Patchwerk
Crit > Mastery > Haste - 98888 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid CritMasteryHaste.html
Mastery > Crit > Haste - 98351 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid MasteryCritHaste.html
Crit > Haste > Mastery - 97368 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid CritHasteMastery.html
Mastery > Haste > Crit - 97120 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid MasteryHasteCrit.html
Haste > Mastery > Crit - 95755 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid HasteMasteryCrit.html
Haste > Crit > Mastery - 95673 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid HasteCritMastery.html




Long No Movement = 600s Patchwerk
Crit > Mastery > Haste - 82794 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid CritMasteryHaste.html
Crit > Haste > Mastery - 81962 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid CritHasteMastery.html
Mastery > Crit > Haste - 81513 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid MasteryCritHaste.html
Mastery > Haste > Crit - 80573 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid MasteryHasteCrit.html
Haste > Crit > Mastery - 80436 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid HasteCritMastery.html
Haste > Mastery > Crit - 80039 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid HasteMasteryCrit.html




Long Phased = 300s HelterSkelter
Crit > Mastery > Haste - 72148 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid CritMasteryHaste.html
Crit > Haste > Mastery - 71231 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid CritHasteMastery.html
Mastery > Crit > Haste - 70322 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid MasteryCritHaste.html
Haste > Crit > Mastery - 69781 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid HasteCritMastery.html
Mastery > Haste > Crit - 69165 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid MasteryHasteCrit.html
Haste > Mastery > Crit - 68775 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid HasteMasteryCrit.html




Drawn Out Long = 600s HeavyMovement
Crit > Mastery > Haste - 69305 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid CritMasteryHaste.html
Crit > Haste > Mastery - 68430 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid CritHasteMastery.html
Mastery > Crit > Haste - 66454 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid MasteryCritHaste.html
Haste > Crit > Mastery - 66086 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid HasteCritMastery.html
Mastery > Haste > Crit - 65181 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid MasteryHasteCrit.html
Haste > Mastery > Crit - 64785 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid HasteMasteryCrit.html

 

[Whatgoesup]

Thanks Zmirnøff, that should about cover the PvE side I appreciate the extensive coverage.

 

[frityr459]

To stop you ladies from arguing anymore with no proof on either side of the argument I decided to give you all some...

According to sims no matter what fight you're on Crit > Mastery > Haste is the way to go. If any of you actually give a shit about "BiS" you really should stop asking people on this site for help. Go help yourselves and download some sims and make your own profiles. Even using existing characters.

Quick edit actually, if you look at the graph on each fight the highest burst damage obtained was from Mastery>Crit>Haste so although you can't do a fight shorter than 100 seconds in Simcraft I reckon if your fight lasts around 30 seconds or so, yes Mastery>Crit>Haste would win out.

Notes about the sims, I couldn't be fucked changing the default simcraft code, so the fights are done with Cataclysm consumables. If you have a problem, go do it your damn self instead of arguing back and forth.

85 Druid, using Onkyo from Legacy as baseline with a few modifications.
Onkyo @ The Maelstrom - Community - World of Warcraft


990 Int stacking Trinket + Jade Spirit + Blacksmithing + Gemming & Reforges = Changes.


Chardev Profiles
Mastery > Haste > Crit - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
Haste > Crit > Mastery - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
Crit > Haste > Mastery - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
Haste > Mastery > Crit - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
Mastery > Crit > Haste - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
Crit > Mastery > Haste - chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA


Fight Length


Short Burst = 100s Patchwerk
Crit > Mastery > Haste - 98888 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid CritMasteryHaste.html
Mastery > Crit > Haste - 98351 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid MasteryCritHaste.html
Crit > Haste > Mastery - 97368 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid CritHasteMastery.html
Mastery > Haste > Crit - 97120 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid MasteryHasteCrit.html
Haste > Mastery > Crit - 95755 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid HasteMasteryCrit.html
Haste > Crit > Mastery - 95673 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/100s Patchwerk/85 Druid HasteCritMastery.html




Long No Movement = 600s Patchwerk
Crit > Mastery > Haste - 82794 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid CritMasteryHaste.html
Crit > Haste > Mastery - 81962 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid CritHasteMastery.html
Mastery > Crit > Haste - 81513 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid MasteryCritHaste.html
Mastery > Haste > Crit - 80573 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid MasteryHasteCrit.html
Haste > Crit > Mastery - 80436 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid HasteCritMastery.html
Haste > Mastery > Crit - 80039 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s Patchwerk/85 Druid HasteMasteryCrit.html




Long Phased = 300s HelterSkelter
Crit > Mastery > Haste - 72148 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid CritMasteryHaste.html
Crit > Haste > Mastery - 71231 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid CritHasteMastery.html
Mastery > Crit > Haste - 70322 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid MasteryCritHaste.html
Haste > Crit > Mastery - 69781 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid HasteCritMastery.html
Mastery > Haste > Crit - 69165 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid MasteryHasteCrit.html
Haste > Mastery > Crit - 68775 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/300s HelterSkelter/85 Druid HasteMasteryCrit.html




Drawn Out Long = 600s HeavyMovement
Crit > Mastery > Haste - 69305 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid CritMasteryHaste.html
Crit > Haste > Mastery - 68430 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid CritHasteMastery.html
Mastery > Crit > Haste - 66454 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid MasteryCritHaste.html
Haste > Crit > Mastery - 66086 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid HasteCritMastery.html
Mastery > Haste > Crit - 65181 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid MasteryHasteCrit.html
Haste > Mastery > Crit - 64785 DPS - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/72388705/600s HeavyMovement/85 Druid HasteMasteryCrit.html

Thx man i know we talked in mumble and agree on the same and crit / mastery is best and dosent matter so much if you go mastery of crit and the same, but HASTE SUCKS.,

 

[Nesyla]

Anyone bothered doing a pvp bis chardev yet ?

Been fuzzying with diff gears myself but i'd like to hear diff oppinions.

 

[faneller]

Eclipsedx isn't BiS

 

[Falkor]

yo necro time. does all of this still hold true for live?

wondering cuz ive been using this (Kaged @ Kargath - Community - World of Warcraft) set up and looking for improvement. what i like is that with just MotW & crystal of insanity up im hit capped while having 31% haste (51% with just NG - meaning a bunch of extra ticks, and ability to go from eclipse to eclipse without dropping MF/SuF), 30% crit and 48% mastery.
was just wondering if it is a dps increase to drop down from 50% haste plateau in order to get more of either crit or haste. seems counterintuitive so wondering if any spreadsheet guys know the answer. and if so would i go haste -> mastery, or crit..what exactly are the next "plateaus" for crit and/or mastery

ps i have signet of binding wall & very manly leggings, but i cant figure out if they're upgrades too since they both have lots of hit on them and very minor other stat gains. manly legs for example actually have less int then tier and i would lose 254 mastery for 88 (unreforged) haste, while also going over hit cap with crystal - even after reforge.
also been trying to toy around with trinkets such as necromantic focus instead of WoU. in some dummy tests focus has been better, but its all pretty close and havent properly raid tested

tl;dr: on live is it still crit>mastery>haste "blindly", or if you can hit a plateau such as 50% for haste do you do that then go crit>mastery. or to simplify further: what are ideal numbers for each stat.