BiS 20 swords rogue?

[Volsci]

Could I get a chardev/armory?

Am willing to put some time into it.



Thanks !

-Kohes

 

[Earlwing]

Same as a regular rogue, aside from foremans gloves, using Dalrends Sacred Charge Mainhand and Scarlet Kris Offhand.

 

[Volsci]

http://chardev.org/?profile=326141 is what I am looking at.



Didn't bother with enchants because I think those are obvious.



After checking a few bankalts, I happen to have a doomspike available, if that would be BiS offhand.

I am really looking to use two swords, though t.t a 10 tink of mine has wingblade, but I don't really want to level that.

 

[Freeranged]

http://chardev.org/?profile=326141 is what I am looking at.



Didn't bother with enchants because I think those are obvious.



After checking a few bankalts, I happen to have a doomspike available, if that would be BiS offhand.

I am really looking to use two swords, though t.t a 10 tink of mine has wingblade, but I don't really want to level that.

Sword damage is so poor. The ambush is nearly the same between swords and daggers (daggers edge out slightly) but the difference between BS and SS is immense. If you can pool your energy even slightly, daggers is the way to go.

 

[Earlwing]

1v1, swords does more damage, simply due to the fact that you build combos for a big finisher much faster.

 

[Arknoodle]

But a proper rogue should have him/herself a bag full of thistle tea allowing daggers to build up CP just as fast and hit much harder

 

[Volsci]

*shrug* I always look to lower rogue damage, I think it takes more skill

I don't like lolambushing people. (Also, sword ambush hits higher due to the white hit after ambush being much higher then the daggers, but I digress).

Frankly, I don't think I need wtfburst to succeed in the bracket. So I'm going with graphix > stats.



*cough* LFH *cough* swords I like

 

[Brov]

cant get impish blade as ally btw

 

[Arknoodle]

*shrug* I always look to lower rogue damage, I think it takes more skill

I don't like lolambushing people. (Also, sword ambush hits higher due to the white hit after ambush being much higher then the daggers, but I digress).

Frankly, I don't think I need wtfburst to succeed in the bracket. So I'm going with graphix > stats.



*cough* LFH *cough* swords I like

As stoic as this is of you the main benefit of a rogue is to be able to wtf ambush an efc down before you lose all CC on his healer..

 

[Freeranged]

*shrug* I always look to lower rogue damage, I think it takes more skill

I don't like lolambushing people. (Also, sword ambush hits higher due to the white hit after ambush being much higher then the daggers, but I digress).

Frankly, I don't think I need wtfburst to succeed in the bracket. So I'm going with graphix > stats.



*cough* LFH *cough* swords I like

You need burst to succeed in any bracket in which heals can bring a person up to full in a single 1.5s cast.

 

[Volsci]

Rogues are support, not burst.

Which, for example, if you look at a grand majority of high rated arena non-healer arena teams..

Rogue almost ALWAYS has 50% damage or less then the secondary / other 2 in 3's dps.



IE; watch scoreboards for arena videos from reckful, neilyo, evolas..

even if you want to watch some of the better 70 rogue videos.



Also, to bring down the brackets.. look at some of the ryrith videos - not supporting him, just he is the only 19 rogue who has really stuck in my head - he was VERY defensive, and he was agile enough to smeld hoj/SS/concs/gouge, etc, consistently. In fact, a lot of the high-end arranged 19 twink rogues were always played defensively, and spent more time thrown kiting then anything.



Rogues are not for damage, they are for utility.

 

[Earlwing]

Sword rogue has better burst anyways. Open + 200 white crit, 3 quick SS, and a 5 pointer. Bursting someone down with a sword MH is faster than lolsometimetodaybackstab.

 

[Freeranged]

Rogues are support, not burst.

Which, for example, if you look at a grand majority of high rated arena non-healer arena teams..

Rogue almost ALWAYS has 50% damage or less then the secondary / other 2 in 3's dps.



IE; watch scoreboards for arena videos from reckful, neilyo, evolas..

even if you want to watch some of the better 70 rogue videos.



Also, to bring down the brackets.. look at some of the ryrith videos - not supporting him, just he is the only 19 rogue who has really stuck in my head - he was VERY defensive, and he was agile enough to smeld hoj/SS/concs/gouge, etc, consistently. In fact, a lot of the high-end arranged 19 twink rogues were always played defensively, and spent more time thrown kiting then anything.



Rogues are not for damage, they are for utility.

Of course they are utility. Sap, gouge, and kick are invaluable. If you are reserved with your energy needs for those kicks and gouges however, a dagger rogue and a sword rogue still serve that exact same utility. In fact, with the faster dagger swings, Crip procs more for dagger. Advantage to daggers.



The only difference between them is burst vs spread damage. A rogue doesn't do the same consistent damage as other classes, but they can pool their CP and energy to seal the deal. A BS + Evis is far more useful in those situations.

 

[Freeranged]

Sword rogue has better burst anyways. Open + 200 white crit, 3 quick SS, and a 5 pointer. Bursting someone down with a sword MH is faster than lolsometimetodaybackstab.

Ambush + 3 quick SS + 5 pt Evis = 230 energy



Ambush + 2 BS + 4 pt Evis = 215 energy



On leather, my SS with Dal'Rends averages 55. My BS averages 135.



+50 damage on an Evis for the extra point. 55*3 + 50 = 215.



135*2 = 270.



BS wins for me on both energy and damage.

 

[Volsci]

In fact, with the faster dagger swings, Crip procs more for dagger. Advantage to daggers.

Would have doomspike offhand swap for necessary situations w/ crip.

Alas, was planning on having crip MH.

 

[Freeranged]

Would have doomspike offhand swap for necessary situations w/ crip.

Alas, was planning on having crip MH.

You'll end up running Crip on every weapon, because missing a Crip proc is game over for the rogue at this level. A dagger rogue running Wicked MH Crip, and Doomspike/BoA OH Crip will land faster Crip than any sword variant. You are gimping your utility for lower damage.

 

[Volsci]

*shrug* perhaps that is something I would wind up learning when I played the bracket.



I was assuming it wold be similar to 19's bracket, I admit I may be wrong on that account.

 

[Jdoring]

Let the guy play what he wants golden! Getting so tired of seeing cookie cutter BiS... I mean yeah it's BiS but it's like I don't mind him playing swords rogue it sounds like fun! When you say swords though, are you willing to include axes/maces?? Axe of the Enforcer is probably pretty nice for a rogue that wants slow weapons pre BoA

 

[Freeranged]

*shrug* perhaps that is something I would wind up learning when I played the bracket.



I was assuming it wold be similar to 19's bracket, I admit I may be wrong on that account.

Well, the brackets are very similar. For many classes, the P2P enchants would raise the burst of the 19 bracket. For rogues, however, the damage from Ambush relative to the smaller health pools of F2P makes them more hit-and-run. If you miss that critical Crip, you lose your finish and will be dropped fast when you are only rocking 1k HP.



And Shau, ya, he can roll anything he wants. I'm just trying to be objective here.

 

[Volsci]

To be honest, I was simply considering it to be a graphics toon. I love the model of shadowfang/protector's sword/horseman's blade, and was looking for a bracket whose gear complements the use of it, model wise.

It was either this or 19s, since the gear isn't huge. Maybe 29 eventually, but I am looking for consistent games.



Also, I have heard an amount of the bracket from people on RealiD, and want to try it out.