Best weapon for 39 warrior other then PoD and BaR

[Bansil]

well, i played a warry myself and i had both. and i am pretty much the authority on maths in my therapy group...so i believe in me most of the time until someone can proof me wrong.



Polished blabla valor:

12str

12stam

0,96% crit

202armor



BAR:

13str

19stam

1,56% crit



REVs:

18stam

9str

93armor



LoA:

7stam

15str



-> combine



REVs + BAR:

22str

37stam

1,56% crit

93armor



Valor + LoA:

19stam

27str

0,96% crit

202armor



imo not a tough decision.



edit:

maybe you want to take enchants into account. 70AP for LoA and cru for the BAR. this will result in a loss of constant 80AP (without kings) when going for BAR and a gain of 18stam and a selhealing proc that grants you a nice burst on top.



edit2:

80AP -> 5,7 dps (the BAR has a 4.3 higher basic dps) and a little less dmg from AP based styles compared to styles that are used when the cru buff is not up.

 

[Aristeia]

idk if i would argue with ari....hes pretty much the authority on warriors in reckoning. So i beleive him!

I don't necessarily know math or theorycrafting much, but I know that burst will always be better than static dps in PvP.



I've just got a boatload of experience at playing warrior at 39 by now and know what weapon I'd take.



Also the heroic strike thing doesn't work so well, I mean, you're not going to have rage like that to where you could heroic strike more than twice in a row, and you'd probably be better off using that rage for something else in that case.

 

[Maerduk]

I think you guys need to go ptr or something and duke it out BB vs LoA.

 

[Aristeia]

I think you guys need to go ptr or something and duke it out BB vs LoA.

I'd have to use my Horde warrior then since I got my trusty PoD on my ally war =)

 

[Powerglove]

i think you guys need to go ptr or something and duke it out bb vs loa.

rng fight!

 

[Aristeia]

rng fight!

I hack my RNG /flex



And my flag returns, but that's just a rumor

 

[Bansil]

i dont think we have to go ptr to to fight this out.

everybody can do some math and see that BB is able to do more dmg. after playing some BGs and arenas every player has to make his own decision on which one he uses in different situations. if you think you are able to benefit from the BB, use it. if you hate switching weapons or see no situations where your swingtimer is not delayed like hell then just stick to the LoA.



this doesn't have to be a great discussion...the maths are easy and the experience comes with time.

 

[Maerduk]

I'd have to use my Horde warrior then since I got my trusty PoD on my ally war =)

Regrettably I never got PoD on my pally when he was still 39. Even when I had a chance to get it for very cheap (about 120g prior to the instance changes that f-d the drop rate). I was planning on moving him out of the bracket soon so I saw no reason to purchase it. Still kicking myself in the nuts over this because if I had, I probably would have ended up banking it and have it for my shaman to use now or even a 39 warr in the making.

 

[Maerduk]

i dont think we have to go ptr to to fight this out.

scurred? lol j/k I only mentioned that for fun really. I think it would be an interesting way to test out both your arguments. Obviously multiple duels would be in order.

 

[Aristeia]

scurred? lol j/k I only mentioned that for fun really. I think it would be an interesting way to test out both your arguments. Obviously multiple duels would be in order.

Haha, ya I would be happy to do it for fun, I love warrior vs warrior fights >=D



Obviously it wouldn't be much of a "test" but more to do with how each of us plays I guess =P

 

[xxMDMA]

just a question for you warriorguys, what do you think about protdpsing.

and do warriors have any chance vs a good rogue at all?



if only they lowered shield slam spell one level, it would be a world of change for warriors!

 

[mad0die]

Prot at 39 seems to be all the rage in my BG lately. I've played it and it is fun. You have a lot more control with the stuns and conc blow. Burst isn't as good, but survivability is great. If you're used to killing things fast, it will be an adjustment, but it does certainly give you the best chance at beating a good twink rogue. It still very much depends on who gets the jump however.

 

[xxMDMA]

Prot at 39 seems to be all the rage in my BG lately. I've played it and it is fun. You have a lot more control with the stuns and conc blow. Burst isn't as good, but survivability is great. If you're used to killing things fast, it will be an adjustment, but it does certainly give you the best chance at beating a good twink rogue. It still very much depends on who gets the jump however.

humm. im just looking at revenge+concussionblow+improved heroic strike crit%+exectute here.. just building up lots of rage, i dunno, maybe you can do atleast 1.5k damage with these skills put right after eachother.



fights would go starting out with shieldwall, autoattcking, enemy at 50% hp then you blow the rest of your rage in a revenge+concussionblow?



and for a spec 5% crit would be better than 10% more one handed damage i guess.. and.. humm.



http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#LZ0xZVIzrbbdb ?



im thinking rogue fight now btw, vs a priest i guess protwarrior will just look funny "oh look he got me down to 99% hp"

 

[mad0die]

I grabbed Armored to the Teeth and some Toughness instead of Imp Disciplines and Gag Order. I like the synergy between armor and AP. The revenge and heroic strike glyphs work real nicely together given your buffed heroic strike crit % as well.

 

[Alteffour]

Rogues are pretty funny vs my prot war...there are probably a few that could beat me if they had enough time...but honestly it would take them considerable time to do it. Had one yesterday beat on me for I dont know how long and I just wore him down and ended up killing him via thunderclaps and rend.



I do play as FC type prot though, so im in full stam type gear vs playing prot war with higher AP and such.

 

[Ymir]

and now take into account, that the BB hits more often and that in a lot of situations not so much dmg is wasted due to overkill.



a higher dps is what it is. more dmg per second. heroic strike rank 5 for example adds 60 to the next swing. if you have enough rage, you can add these 60 dmg more often on BB.



at this point i want to come back to my further statement: "when not getting kited"

even jousting is possible with a faster weapon. its all about timing. get a swing timer to help you get a feeling for the speed of your weapon.

This statement about jousting is very true. When 2 warriors go at each other, the faster weapon guy has an advantage. Since both of you are going to be using >3s swing times anyway, with a fast weapon you can be more aggressive when jousting, which is easier than being defensive.



If I duck in for just one swing at 3.4 seconds, and am out of range again before your attack at 3.9, that's huge. If I crit, it's probably the fight right there. With your slower weapon you are fighting to stay out of range of me until your swing timer is up. With a faster weapon I get more chances to duck in and take a shot. With a faster weapon that has higher dps, I don't even need to joust, I can just stick to you if I'm being lazy, and still have the advantage.

 

[Powerglove]

humm. im just looking at revenge+concussionblow+improved heroic strike crit%+exectute here.. just building up lots of rage, i dunno, maybe you can do atleast 1.5k damage with these skills put right after eachother.



fights would go starting out with shieldwall, autoattcking, enemy at 50% hp then you blow the rest of your rage in a revenge+concussionblow?



and for a spec 5% crit would be better than 10% more one handed damage i guess.. and.. humm.



Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft ?



im thinking rogue fight now btw, vs a priest i guess protwarrior will just look funny "oh look he got me down to 99% hp"

1h spec increases all your damage by 10% w/ a 1h wep on, including when youre dual weilding. that's a much larger increase to your damage than 5% crit

 

[Powerglove]

This statement about jousting is very true. When 2 warriors go at each other, the faster weapon guy has an advantage. Since both of you are going to be using >3s swing times anyway, with a fast weapon you can be more aggressive when jousting, which is easier than being defensive.



If I duck in for just one swing at 3.4 seconds, and am out of range again before your attack at 3.9, that's huge. If I crit, it's probably the fight right there. With your slower weapon you are fighting to stay out of range of me until your swing timer is up. With a faster weapon I get more chances to duck in and take a shot. With a faster weapon that has higher dps, I don't even need to joust, I can just stick to you if I'm being lazy, and still have the advantage.

Warrior duels are 90% gear, spec, and rng. Skill only matters when one of the warriors is bad and lets you run out of range when he pops cds.

 

[Ymir]

Warrior duels are 90% gear, spec, and rng. Skill only matters when one of the warriors is bad and lets you run out of range when he pops cds.

Lots of warriors say that



However, if it's 90% gear, then you have an advantage with the higher dps weapon anyway. If you're both pretty average at jousting, you have an advantage with the slower swing speed. If you're a confident jouster, you have an advantage with a faster swing speed.

 

[Powerglove]

However, if it's 90% gear, then you have an advantage with the higher dps weapon anyway. If you're both pretty average at jousting, you have an advantage with the slower swing speed. If you're a confident jouster, you have an advantage with a faster swing speed.

Even so, I'd say a slower weapon would be better because rend and deep wounds would tick for more. You can't rely on anything though, when one of you can miss their hamstring and eat an intercept, get chain crits, etc.