Best profession 82 Caster

Dranem

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Hey,

I decided to move my 80 priest to 82 to benefit more from that stupid stats scaling system (not sure if that's frowned upon here), and 600 herbalism obviously isn't as powerful as it was at 80.

Is there something better than Herbalism/Tailoring for a 82 disc/shadow priest? (Now and in 5.4)

Thanks
 
I think the goblin glider is alot of fun. After the 5.4 nerfs there won't be much of a difference in terms of raw stat bonuses.
 
Go die in a fire bracket scum.
:rolleyes: Is this really necessary?

Anyways, eng is the most fun. And I agree with derpy with the incoming 5.4 nerfs; but don't knock haste unless you've calc'd the haste breakpoints. I still think any combo of Tailoring/Engineering/Herbalism/Alchemy is still BiS
 
Sorry to derail you question Dranem but I had to say something.

How the bracket is played has nothing to do with him - it's to do with Blizzard and the standards they set. Blizzard sets the rules and when people cry foul over the them it always amuses me. There is always a complaint because of some unspoken morals or fairness. This is a twink forum where people dedicate themselves to max their character at a given level range. I would think it would be more constructive to help your fellow twink then to berate them.

I'm curious how levels 81-84 ruin the bracket when a twinked 80 is the same thing (in my opinion). I'd like to hear your feedback on this if you'd take the time (and anybody else for that matter).

I also find it funny nobody gets equally upset when it is done in PVE. An 80 solos a whole instance by themselves and they get cheers. You solo a whole battleground, and you're public enemy number one.

Remember: Blizzard set the brackets, released the gear, gave us the options. When don't people try to maximize their characters potential? This is why blizzard puts caps on valor and conquest points because if they didn't, there are people who would never stop.
 
What exactly is bullsh*t?

For example, I think it is bullsh*t that a level 80 paladin solo'd Elegon (although impressive) because there were level 90s guild that still weren't able to do it and a paladin did by taking advantage of mechanics that Blizzard put in place. I would say that Blizzard did not intend for players at that level to solo current content but it happened. However, on TwinkInfo in the 80-89 bracket, we have a sticked forum for people to show off that they have solo'd certain content and other players have followed and tried (and succeeded) as well.

Being a twink regardless of level, in pvp and pve is bullsh*t. Trying to put anybody down about it, for any reason, is also bullsh*t. If you want to blame someone, talk to Blizzard. They have been taking the steps to correct some of these problems (like the upcoming enchant scaling). Maybe they will do something about the weapons/armor too.
 
Blizzard's serial incompetence doesn't justify anything.

It feels like you're fishing for validation.
Do what you want to do. It's your time/money/game. If you want to be a face-rolling faggot mcgee, go ahead.
It still is bullshit though.

(Bullshit is fun)
 
I felt like I'd respond in an attempt to clear some things up.

I'm curious how levels 81-84 ruin the bracket when a twinked 80 is the same thing (in my opinion). I'd like to hear your feedback on this if you'd take the time (and anybody else for that matter).
Because 81-84s often have an unfair advantage over 80s. 81 warriors for example have a very large damage buff in colossus smash over 80 equivalents.

I also find it funny nobody gets equally upset when it is done in PVE. An 80 solos a whole instance by themselves and they get cheers. You solo a whole battleground, and you're public enemy number one.
Soloing at 80 is about the challenge. Given that you can stomp a bg at 80, giving yourself more of an advantage at 84 is frowned upon because it decreases the skillcap and challenge of fighting other players.

Remember: Blizzard set the brackets, released the gear, gave us the options. When don't people try to maximize their characters potential? This is why blizzard puts caps on valor and conquest points because if they didn't, there are people who would never stop.
They'd never admit it, but I highly doubt they ever intended the MoP-ilevel gear to get below level 85 requirements. GC even admitted it when the paladin bug was floating around. That said, they'd get more QQ than they do now if they changed the requirements on everything.

For example, I think it is bullsh*t that a level 80 paladin solo'd Elegon (although impressive) because there were level 90s guild that still weren't able to do it and a paladin did by taking advantage of mechanics that Blizzard put in place. I would say that Blizzard did not intend for players at that level to solo current content but it happened. However, on TwinkInfo in the 80-89 bracket, we have a sticked forum for people to show off that they have solo'd certain content and other players have followed and tried (and succeeded) as well.
Bad example. The elegon solo (and a lot of my early MoP paladin solos) were exploiting arguably the biggest bug in WoW's history, because players were never meant to have 100 million attack power. Soloing at 80 can be far more of a challenge than at 90, just because of the health and dps difference.

Being a twink regardless of level, in pvp and pve is bullsh*t. Trying to put anybody down about it, for any reason, is also bullsh*t. If you want to blame someone, talk to Blizzard. They have been taking the steps to correct some of these problems (like the upcoming enchant scaling). Maybe they will do something about the weapons/armor too.
Not true. The fault in this (and to some extent 85s) bracket(s) is the addition of the MoP-ilevel gear. Back in cataclysm the 80s bracket was relatively balanced, with only a couple classes standing high above the rest (and one could be countered reasonably easily in PvP). Twinking has always been about getting the max out of any level. Technically, the players who raid in the top ~100 guilds are doing the same as us, since they're aiming for the best gear available to them.

Regarding soloing in general, it's been around for a _very_ long time. The earliest solos I remember are from back in tbc, where block capped warriors and paladins could take down a couple ZG and MC bosses solo, without the massive power creep that we can see now (MC and ZG still really required a large group of people to clear, almost as far as early wotlk).

So please, do us a favour and don't twink 81-84 or 86-89, you won't be seen as a skilled player, it's more likely to get you disliked (as seen here). It'd mostly be coming from the purist twinks anyway.
 
Pls dont tell me ur on fuckin horde Dranem. So sick of stupid premade fags all sticking together like queers in bg's. Especially the faggot shadow priests at 82 and 83 sticking together with the whole group, to ensure that they dont get solod by a skilled player on alliance.

And 82/83's now with 5.3, have a huge advantage over 80s and 84s alike. A geared blood dk at 84 has around 200kHP, a 82/83 shadow priest now has 230-240k hp. Talk about imbalance rofl. Now I don't necessarily mind the change but EVERY SINGLE 80-84 bg i que into, I see the same horde fags sticking together like a bunch of queers as OP as they are lol. it makes me laugh.
 
Pls dont tell me ur on fuckin horde Dranem. So sick of stupid premade fags all sticking together like queers in bg's. Especially the faggot shadow priests at 82 and 83 sticking together with the whole group, to ensure that they dont get solod by a skilled player on alliance.

And 82/83's now with 5.3, have a huge advantage over 80s and 84s alike. A geared blood dk at 84 has around 200kHP, a 82/83 shadow priest now has 230-240k hp. Talk about imbalance rofl. Now I don't necessarily mind the change but EVERY SINGLE 80-84 bg i que into, I see the same horde fags sticking together like a bunch of queers as OP as they are lol. it makes me laugh.

Alliance wins every single BG i've seen ?
 
I'd like to say the following.

Soloing at 80 is about the challenge. Given that you can stomp a bg at 80, giving yourself more of an advantage at 84 is frowned upon because it decreases the skillcap and challenge of fighting other players.

Patch 5.2 came out March 5, 2013 and up until then, in battlegrounds, regardless of the class, there was hardly any skill involved with secondary stats over 50%. The only skill came about when you had to fight another other twinks. 84 twinks would even get owned by 80 twinks, it wasn't skill at all. It was that class mechanics when you have 100% haste, crit and/or mastery.

Bad example. The elegon solo (and a lot of my early MoP paladin solos) were exploiting arguably the biggest bug in WoW's history, because players were never meant to have 100 million attack power. Soloing at 80 can be far more of a challenge than at 90, just because of the health and dps difference.

I did not know that particular solo is considered an exploit, I assumed it was fair game mechanics. However, I do agree that it is challenging yet if they never intended for all these MoP ilvl gear to be available for 80s, it wouldn't be as easy to solo the raid boss. It would be, like you said, an actual challenge.

The fault in this (and to some extent 85s) bracket(s) is the addition of the MoP-ilevel gear. Back in cataclysm the 80s bracket was relatively balanced, with only a couple classes standing high above the rest (and one could be countered reasonably easily in PvP).

Maybe 80 was balance in Cata, but the 75-79 bracket was terrible! I understand this isn't about that bracket though, but they were affected by the changes. Once again, a twink maximizes their characters potential at their choice of level.

So please, do us a favour and don't twink 81-84 or 86-89, you won't be seen as a skilled player, it's more likely to get you disliked (as seen here). It'd mostly be coming from the purist twinks anyway.

I'm not picking sides on this. This forum says 80-89 twinks. Therefore, whatever level you want to twink at, honestly go for it! I do agree that not twinking at the 80/85 is cheap but I know the feeling of running into good 81-84s twinks and not being able to do anything (both horde and alliance have 81-84 twinks fyi). At least they aren't in Arena anymore! It is unfair to go up against good 81-84 twinks. The bad ones who half-ass it, don't get BiS, will level out eventually and they usually only have the advantage when they are with somebody else anyways. The good ones, however, will go out of their way - even level up a new character - to make themselves BiS at whatever level Blizzard allows them with whatever gear Blizzard gives. You are naive to think they won't.

Anyway, the original reason to why I posted was edited and I appreciated it. I know it's frustrating dealing with 81-84s and 86-89s but as a twink community we can deal with it a whole lot better than just calling people stupid or wishing they die. Why not inform them the joys of twinking at 80 and 85 instead and how it will benefit our community more by twinking at those levels instead?
 
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