A Plea for Activity.

CIHC

CIHC

That One OG
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Friends, Enemies, Twinks... Brothers and Sisters of this glorious bracket. We want activity? We're going to have to work for it. I know, this probably isn't the kind of thread you were expecting to see in terms of the whole "Whaa I want to BG in the 10-19 bracket", but what I am going go post is the complete truth.

On the planned, organized day for WSG BG, 12/5/2014, the 10-19 bracket forum surpassed the population that of the F2P bracket and the 20-29 bracket combined for a couple of hours (section wise). After the day had passed, we sunk back down to the normal amount of people browsing this section (atm, it is 26 as I type this). We are strong as a group, when we are organized and dedicated, yet... Some of the people among us have not been keeping their end with the rules the staff has given them.

First, I am not calling out anyone, I will address the guide authors and the holders of stickies as a whole. Several threads that are stickied, and are in the guide section have not been updated for WoD, have not been touched in months, some guides haven't been even updated since 5.4!. This is one issue I want to address with the bracket, there will be minimal BGs, unless we step up to the plate and commit to what we have posted.

These guides, these stickies should be updated weekly, there is no excuse around it. I understand its the holidays, people have lives and such. But if your rocking the Guide Author title, you should at least keep your guide up to date for the current expansion. For the stickies, there are plenty of twinks who are being swept under the rug due to the fact that no one is taking the time or liberty to update them in the armory threads. I myself; have fallen subject to being lazy while I moderated this forum and I do apologize for that. There are plenty of battletags that remain not on the list. There are plenty of active guilds going unnoticed because they aren't on the list!

Second, look at the sticky difference between the 10-19 section and the F2P section. There are a lot more stickies there, than there are here. One way we could promote the bracket, and promote activity is to have the sections that we are missing. The sections like macros and add-ons, movies, 10-19 info and index, CC index and Stat/Enchant scaling. These are some of the things that we the 19 community could use to our advantage to promote this bracket. Referencing back to the guide section, the F2P Bracket literally has double the amount of guides the 19 bracket has.

I do understand that the main reason the 20-29 bracket (and F2P bracket) is so popular and populated is for the simple fact that there are BGs and consistent Arenas almost, if not literally 24/7. We've had some great people give up on this bracket and go to one that is more safe and comfortable. Your going to complain about the 10-19 bracket being "dead" and inactive, yet your going to betray that bracket, and only log on your 10-19 for scheduled BGs? This is one of the problems our bracket is facing, not enough people logged onto their twink during the day and qued into WSG. Fixing the bracket starts with you, the individual and the community. We can sit here and post about how we're going to organize stuff like the Southshore vs Tarren Mill thread I had posted, but unless you get the people who left us back, and new people to come, and consistently play the twink they build or are funded. We will never go anywhere. We will always be stuck in this rut.

Finally, if we truly want this bracket to come back to life, we will need guilds to be actively recruiting, doing events, funding people, and the forum and bracket actually know about it! Once again; this references back to the Stickies. We have multiple guilds aside from the 5 that are listed in the Guild Directory, yet people have to sift through the Guild Recruitment section in an attempt to find an active guild. Granted; it isn't that difficult but we do have other active guilds, that are premading, that are recruiting, that ARE hosting events and ARE funding new twinks, yet they are not given the spotlight they deserve.

TLDR
We are to blame for our inactivity.
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Look, I can literally sit here and type out paragraph after paragraph on how we can improve the bracket, but we aren't putting as much effort into our bracket as the other brackets are. You want to BG again like back in the good ol' days? Pull up your pants, and contribute to the 10-19 section you post or lurk at. Record some youtube videos and show off how x class can do in y situation. Host those events. Fund new players/old players. Update your guides. Update your stickies weekly. Get off your lazy arse and contribute and pull your weight.... Otherwise, we will never, get back on our feet.



Thanks for reading; hopefully we will see improvement over the next couple weeks and months. I'll do my part to pump out some level 10 guides and indexes for gear and enchant scaling.

- Cookie

 
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Everyone should be queuing warsong at 8 EST everyday of the week (if they can)

I will try create new threads of old stickies that need updating.

I already did this for the armory thread, and was considering the guild directory as well.

Great post btw.
 
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I will step up my recruiting game.



Also, perhaps for those guilds recruiting, making a sticky or something with a list of officers and GM's battle tags who are looking for more players. Making it easy to connect in game with a variety of guilds. We could also try and find individuals who are willing to post on the battle.net forums talking about the twink community on server forums with twink populations.
 
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This means everyone go alliance and farm all the horde rogues, like all the matches weve had so far. improve the bracket by not farming the gy, capping the flag, and attempt to make competitive matches. if they aren't then get 3 caps and reque.
 
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id love to see that, seeing how the first thing alliance does is charge the gy. theyd rather gy farm then win games and that's all the matches have been is a slaughter fest because the horde have tards queing and those tards don't leave the match. So you just chill for 15 mins in the gy.
 
its kinda difficult to get a premade going for the horde seeing how there aren't any geared/skillful players on the horde side. okay ill que with my 4 buddies but im going against basically a 10 man premade on the alliance side....
 
cihc response really doesn't contribute to anything. like I said if you want matches those things need to be done. continue gy farming no matches will pop, simple as that...
 
most people that que on the horde are randoms where all the alliance are mainly in the same guild and that's a guarantee. ive been in more than half the matches that's pop and you see 3-4 hordes que that don't even know what their doing and don't even have gear. then you look at the alliance where there are 2 premade groups getting the pop almost everytime.. im just saying when the matches aren't competitive its going to the gy and the horde are going to get farmed about 75% of the time.
 
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most people that que on the horde are randoms where all the alliance are mainly in the same guild and that's a guarantee. ive been in more than half the matches that's pop and you see 3-4 hordes que that don't even know what their doing and don't even have gear. then you look at the alliance where there are 2 premade groups getting the pop almost everytime.. im just saying when the matches aren't competitive its going to the gy and the horde are going to get farmed about 75% of the time.
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Again, there are plenty of horde guilds out there, just because WoD released some "OP" racials for end-game doesn't mean a team of Blood Elfs (Skill Ratio /cough) can't be more imba than a team of Dwarfs and Humans. We as the community need to pull those players away from the 20-29 bracket as well as end-game to get our beloved BGs popping again.

imacheeser said:
cihc response really doesn't contribute to anything. like I said if you want matches those things need to be done. continue gy farming no matches will pop, simple as that...
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GY farming is unavoidable, especially since most "skilled" players consider it containment and not farming.

imacheeser said:
its kinda difficult to get a premade going for the horde seeing how there aren't any geared/skillful players on the horde side. okay ill que with my 4 buddies but im going against basically a 10 man premade on the alliance side....
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When ques were popping non-stop, games were like this. Under geared, unskilled players flooded the battleground. Even in WOTLK and Cata there were under geared players and unskilled players. Rome wasn't built in a week, there are plenty of skillful hordies running around. You gotta know where to look and find them.
 
well seeing how you haven't even been in as many recent matches than I have I appreciate your opinion. I was in a match were I was getting farmed not contained and we still won because the alliance was to busy farming us. but again like I said if you want the bracket to be fixed things need to be changed and they simply aren't. que up horde and youll know what im talking about....
 
your speel to fix the bracket is a good attempt but it clearly doesn't change the facts. there are more under geared horde queing than alliance. when the horde lose all those "skilled" players go to alliance. Id loved to see you on the horde next to me in these matches weve had and see if you continue to say what youre saying now.
 
fix the bracket, don't break it and I simply don't see anyone trying to fix it. everyone wants to play alliance to farm the scrubs that continue to que horde, just me I know because im one of the few that don't quit matches and all I see are alliance farming the gy not containing it. like someone said on the prior page gy farming is going try to be banned. they themselves even said it was farming and not containing....
 
imacheeser said:
well seeing how you haven't even been in as many recent matches than I have I appreciate your opinion. I was in a match were I was getting farmed not contained and we still won because the alliance was to busy farming us. but again like I said if you want the bracket to be fixed things need to be changed and they simply aren't. que up horde and youll know what im talking about....
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Apparently my level 10 druid has never seen a exp off BG, while I am not trying to harass or troll you at this point. Getting farmed and winning happens at end-game, so of course it can happen at the 10-19 bracket and has in the past. I que up horde every day from the time I wake up, until the time I go to bed. You cannot change how a game is designed, people use it to their advantage, in example with GY containment/farming. If you stop the rest of the team from getting to the FC, and consistantly wipe the enemy team, you will always win unless the farmers aren't paying attention.

This is basic PvP. If people are in 5 man groups, you can simply go to the forums (twinkinfo or battle.net) and get other people who are twinked, who are horde to join a BG. If you want to filter out the massive amount of rogues like I said/suggested before, add some of those people to your btag list and que up with them. If you are serious about making a change in this bracket, wanting less rogues, less bads, and such. Make the effort.

Just a heads up and FYI, put your posts in one post. You can get banned for making 3-5 posts when you could simply state everything in one. Furthermore I've been talking like this since Vanilla, I hope to see you in the Gulch as well. That way perhaps I will truly see what you are talking about. However; 10 years of gaming and twinking under my belt, I am pretty set in my ways.
 
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We are going to ban GY farming any time now. The issue has been brought to our attention and we want it solved asap.
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this is my example stated above ^ I don't see anything about containing...but farming on the other hand? ^^^^ read yourself
 
I didn't once accuse you of not seeing any xp off matches, I simply said ive been in more than you recently, but again you should simply read what I have to say instead of thinking im attacking you. I also want to appolagize for posting more than twice but your speel about how long you've been twinking doesn't make since to me because ive been twinking since vanilla myself(actually exalted in wsg), im not trying to measure my epeen with you im just simply stating a point that theres a difference from not capping 3 times and just sitting in the gy for 15 mins....
 
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