EU+US A few questions regarding gear, Heirlooms etc

[Eyigud]

hi all

Have a couple of questions as im gearing my lvl 20 Rogue before gametime runs out:

1) Heirlooms - do they scale with my Rogue in BG? That is, will they scale to lvl 29 or stay the same as before í entered the BG?

2) í got the ilvl 26 dungeon weapons atm since they are á bit better than the looms. RNG is not on my side and í have not gotten an upgrade on any of the rare weapon Qs available and í have done them all. Epic (ilvl32) dagger in westfall is the only farmable weapon í can get, right? Assa is crap thou isnt it at 20?

3) yet to see á green>epic upgrade. That is possible thou, right?

4) pvp rewards, when í eventually get to play. Can they upgrade to epic?

5) horde side only seem to have rare quality daggers in quest rewards up until lvl 20, right? So minimum benefit to faction change? If í would thou- when í would then go back to alliance again would all my quests reset?

 

[Chops]

1) no

2) jeweled dagger in elwynn, too. I believe. No idea about assassination rogues, though why you wouldnt play outlaw is beyond me

3) yes

4) no

5) all quest rewards scale to your current level. No idea about quests resetting but I doubt it.

 

[Sean4w]

1) no

2) jeweled dagger in elwynn, too. I believe. No idea about assassination rogues, though why you wouldnt play outlaw is beyond me

3) yes

4) no

5) all quest rewards scale to your current level. No idea about quests resetting but I doubt it.

I have seen a few posts go on about quests resetting but only certain ones

 

[Goesid]

Quests dont reset but you if you only faction once you can do all horde quests and all alliance quests, theres also a few that arent shared. For example the WC and RFC dungeon quests arent faction specific and you will only get to do them once. SFK and Stockades are not and you can do them once on horde and once on ally. Yet to try BFD.

 

[necroaqua]

2) í got the ilvl 26 dungeon weapons atm since they are á bit better than the looms. RNG is not on my side and í have not gotten an upgrade on any of the rare weapon Qs available and í have done them all. Epic (ilvl32) dagger in westfall is the only farmable weapon í can get, right? Assa is crap thou isnt it at 20?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=5744/pale-skinner is a farmable sword that can upgrade.

Theres a few daggers that can upgrade, like...
https://www.wowhead.com/item=820/slicer-blade
https://www.wowhead.com/item=115349/talon-of-vultros
https://www.wowhead.com/item=1917/jeweled-dagger
https://www.wowhead.com/item=2088/long-crawler-limb

Those are the options I know of for level 19 - I don't know if level 20 gets you any extra zones for more rares.

 

[Goesid]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=5744/pale-skinner is a farmable sword that can upgrade.

Theres a few daggers that can upgrade, like...
https://www.wowhead.com/item=820/slicer-blade
https://www.wowhead.com/item=115349/talon-of-vultros
https://www.wowhead.com/item=1917/jeweled-dagger
https://www.wowhead.com/item=2088/long-crawler-limb

Those are the options I know of for level 19 - I don't know if level 20 gets you any extra zones for more rares.

Stonetalon Mountains, dunno if there are rares with unique drops there.
[doublepost=1554063818,1554061462][/doublepost]Can now confirm that BFD like stockades and SFK is faction specific not shared and can be done on both factions.

 

[LZ]

dagger is a viable (good) offhand for outlaw @ 20, only MH non-dagger is required (for dispatch) and the epic daggers have higher weapon damage than any blue 1h (4.4 vs like ~3.7) with good stats

for MH there's a lot of quests with mace/sword/axe rewards, and even if you get one with crappy stats you should probably equip it just for the wep damage.

as for other stuff, keep in mind also that you can apply enchants after gametime runs out so long as they're not vanilla. most important things to take care of are enchants you won't be able to do later (minor speed, shoulders, legs, glove reinf. if you're into that)

 

[necroaqua]

dagger is a viable (good) offhand for outlaw @ 20, only MH non-dagger is required (for dispatch) and the epic daggers have higher weapon damage than any blue 1h (4.4 vs like ~3.7) with good stats

That is DPS, not weapon speed.

Epic Dagger at 20 weapon damage: 6-10
Blue Sword at 20 weapon damage: 7-12

So while the dps is better, the damage is worse. And since most (all?) of your abilities are based on weapon damage, you really don't want a dagger mainhand for outlaw.

 

[Goesid]

OHs damage dont affect abilities that use your MH? Gotta be honest, I think I knew that.

 

[necroaqua]

so I tested this with a few weapons, scarlet kris and dal'rends charge. 4-8 and 6-11, respectively. both @ 3.3 DPS and 3 agility w/ no vers. Changing between them had no effect on my ability damage.

Tested with green Kobold Sticker (2.8 dps, 3-7 damage, 3 agility) and ilvl 18 northern shortsword (2.5 dps, 5-8 damage, 3 agility, no vers) and there was -1 damage using the sword for pistol shot and BTE only.

Against a dummy and on tooltip, there was no difference in what Sinister/Dispatch hit for changing between these 2 sets of weapons.

Last thing I did was compare switching in a white cudgel (2-3 damage) to my normal OH weapon (7-12), with an item of equal stats to the weapon removed. Basically- same comparing the same stats with drastically less weapon damage. There was no difference in these two builds except that the cudgel build had -2 damage to pistol shot and -7 damage to Max BTE. So I'm inclined to believe that sinister strike and dispatch basically don't scale to OH weapon damage, and BTE/Pistol shot scale with it super super slightly at this level.

Given that an epic dagger like slicer blade has +8 agility, very close weapon damage which might not even affect any abilities, extra knockback on spellcasting, and higher dps in autoattacks, I would still say they're viable or better based on what I've seen. But I dunno, if anyone has directly compared epic dagger to blue sword or just knows more about this, I am super super happy to be wrong. also, could be a bigger effect w/ bg scaling.

Sorry, I think I wasn't clear with what I was saying (and I think I got confused which parts of your original post were referring to mainhand vs offhand)

For mainhand, it isn't worth using an epic dagger over a blue sword/mace/axe/fist weapon due to the lower weapon damage on fast daggers.

For offhand, it doesn't really matter - use whatever gives the best stats. In instanced pvp, any abilities that use offhand damage will use 1/2 mainhand damage anyways - so weapon damage doesn't matter except for offhand white hits.

I wanted to clarify that you should NOT use an epic dagger over a blue 1h in the mainhand. My post was only looking at mainhand.

 

[LZ]

Sorry, I think I wasn't clear with what I was saying (and I think I got confused which parts of your original post were referring to mainhand vs offhand)

Can see how the original post could be interpreted as justifying dagger as a mainhand. Sorry for all the confusion.

 

[krikki]

stonetalon questline does reset