9.1 20-29 meta findings

[Merlin]

The last 2 days I was in bg, for some reason I don't find there are much changes to the various classes.. Nothing 2 or 3 shot me.. The chaos bolt takes off like 20-30% of my health at best.. surv hunters still pretty strong though, I am not using a lvl20, I am using a lvl23 mm hunter instead, was going to work on lvl23 locks and mages, looks like I have to observe a bit more.. But lvlers in the bg did complain about the chaos bolt that's hitting them
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Ya know, a friend and I talked about that last night and we weren't sure if it was just a cosmetic thing that we were just noticing or if it had actually just been changed

Goodness you notice these things.. If you said you noticed how their tails swing I would have flipped

 

[Thrun Gaming]

Goodness you notice these things.. If you said you noticed how their tails swing I would have flipped

It's not that I look for that type of stuff, it was strickly the fact that it almost looked like it was lagging a bit when it ran compared to what it normally did. Had it not been for that I wouldn't have thought anything of it.

 

[glancealot]

I am not using a lvl20, I am using a lvl23 mm hunter instead, was going to work on lvl23 locks and mages

i was thinking of doing something like this, i.e., a debuff toon, but start at lower than 27 to get more games in.

 

[icehawk]

took some video below of a Surv Hunter in a post 9.1 bg. He was almost disappointed he didn’t destroy the whole Ally team in under 19 secs……

Seriously though, I am actually lol’ing when I’m in a bg and I watch the poor leveller next to me drop on 1 hit…..
But laughter turns to crying when I drop in 2 soon after…..

 

[Magrain]

Yea I tried that. Better move on to something new.

Look at the 9.1 Patchnotes. Everybody got something apart from Druid, who lost the popular Balance Talent and got his Feral Off-heals nerfed.

And lost Moonkin form at the start of the expansion which is mega

 

[Merlin]

i was thinking of doing something like this, i.e., a debuff toon, but start at lower than 27 to get more games in.

I wasn't debuffing.. I am trying to find out at what point (lvl/gear) mm hunter can 3 shot a fully geared twink including surv hunters, the parameters I am working on is against non healer target under 4k health.. Total time 5sec (surv hunters can kill me within this time if they can get close) .. Still testing.. 23 is definitely not the optimum lvl, one point to note on surv hunters is that their health goes down as fast as anyone else, it's just the amount of time, whether you can down him first, I think mm hunters are in a good position to accomplish this task

 

[JadeFire]

Can we start a different forum up... preferably on a different website not associated with this one at all... where these level 23+ clowns can go and talk about the best clown-outlet-mall where they go buy their clown shoes?

 

[glancealot]

A 20 with i49 is more op than a 23 though...do we need a seperate forum for them too?

 

[JadeFire]

A 20 with i49 is more op than a 23 though...do we need a seperate forum for them too?

It really is a good book.

 

[Eleannor]

@Dear Paladin lobby, check my Bug Report so we can have auras at lvl20 or some of the unusable PvP Talents to be switched. :LFHCat:

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=246806/lawbringer duration (60s from 45s) and damage was increased (10% from 5%). I believe this to be the better and most versatile PvP Talent and is specially good against chonky melees full of talasites.

If https://www.wowhead.com/spell=355858/judgments-of-the-pure is functional, there might be some changes to how Holy is played on BGs and how Paladins are played in Arenas (allowing for no trinkets, since a dispel can be provided).

 

[Hennelorix]

The last 2 days I was in bg, for some reason I don't find there are much changes to the various classes.. Nothing 2 or 3 shot me.. The chaos bolt takes off like 20-30% of my health at best.. surv hunters still pretty strong though, I am not using a lvl20, I am using a lvl23 mm hunter instead, was going to work on lvl23 locks and mages, looks like I have to observe a bit more.. But lvlers in the bg did complain about the chaos bolt that's hitting them
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Goodness you notice these things.. If you said you noticed how their tails swing I would have flipped

No bers, no salt, no kotmogu. Whats ur hp?

 

[Merlin]

we talking about 20-29 bg isnt it ? i said i am just testing .. and i believe it can be done .. not that i have already done it .. plus there is no big deal with i49 .. i have at least 8 toons that i can send into a 20-29 that will send any lvl20 with ilvl49 fleeing without a fight, that has been done before, many times .. and that is boring .. i just try to work on mm hunters atm
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No bers, no salt, no kotmogu. Whats ur hp?

you cant work on HP alone .. first of all a mm hits you at over 52 yards .. assuming you are both within range of each other, their first aim shot has a lower cast time than chaos bolt .. he cast, you cast, you get hit, he feign death, your chaos bolt stops casting, before you react, he cast, you cast again, you get hit by the second aim shot, his turtle aspect is up .. no matter what dmg you are seeing on your meter .. you cant 1 shot a mm hunter

 

[JadeFire]

we talking about 20-29 bg isnt it ? i said i am just testing .. and i believe it can be done .. not that i have already done it .. plus there is no big deal with i49 .. i have at least 8 toons that i can send into a 20-29 that will send any lvl20 with ilvl49 fleeing without a fight, that has been done before, many times .. and that is boring .. i just try to work on mm hunters atm
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you cant work on HP alone .. first of all a mm hits you at over 52 yards .. assuming you are both within range of each other, their first aim shot has a lower cast time than chaos bolt .. he cast, you cast, you get hit, he feign death, your chaos bolt stops casting, before you react, he cast, you cast again, you get hit by the second aim shot, his turtle aspect is up .. no matter what dmg you are seeing on your meter .. you cant 1 shot a mm hunter

I remember you talking about your DKs before... those were a joke and I saw you get embarassed MANY times. It was always lackluster... why do you think any of this new nonsense will matter?

We already talked about the 27+ Glad Warriors... they are also only effective versus non-twink groups or groups that have 1 or 2 real twinks.

I fail to see how you are bringing anything new.

 

[Hennelorix]

we talking about 20-29 bg isnt it ? i said i am just testing .. and i believe it can be done .. not that i have already done it .. plus there is no big deal with i49 .. i have at least 8 toons that i can send into a 20-29 that will send any lvl20 with ilvl49 fleeing without a fight, that has been done before, many times .. and that is boring .. i just try to work on mm hunters atm
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you cant work on HP alone .. first of all a mm hits you at over 52 yards .. assuming you are both within range of each other, their first aim shot has a lower cast time than chaos bolt .. he cast, you cast, you get hit, he feign death, your chaos bolt stops casting, before you react, he cast, you cast again, you get hit by the second aim shot, his turtle aspect is up .. no matter what dmg you are seeing on your meter .. you cant 1 shot a mm hunter

Bruh, you told that cb is dealing 20-30% of yours hp. I'm asking what's ur hp then and not this random bs about hunter vs lock lmao.

 

[Merlin]

I remember you talking about your DKs before... those were a joke and I saw you get embarassed MANY times. It was always lackluster... why do you think any of this new nonsense will matter?

We already talked about the 27+ Glad Warriors... they are also only effective versus non-twink groups or groups that have 1 or 2 real twinks.

I fail to see how you are bringing anything new.

thats because you have no concept of what a 320 str 380 stam means .. if you have a toon of this scale, maybe you have another opinion, but sadly you dont
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Bruh, you told that cb is dealing 20-30% of yours hp. I'm asking what's ur hp then and not this random bs about hunter vs lock lmao.

my lvl23 is 3.1k
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We already talked about the 27+ Glad Warriors... they are also only effective versus non-twink groups or groups that have 1 or 2 real twinks.

I fail to see how you are bringing anything new.

look at your so called lvl27 warriors .. and compare their stats

 

[Thrun Gaming]

my lvl23 is 3.1k

Okay so having 3.1k... we're here talking in a bg setting not 1v1. his CB capped out at 2.9k ish. Assuming you didn't get into a 1v1 during a bg... that plus ANY instant cast kills you. I don't see what points you're trying to prove other than to just argue that you're doing something that matters.

 

[Nechiforus]

Yes and new WoD/Legion Tabulk mounts also changed. I think the honor level ones as well. Flying Rocket mounts have a mount special animation.

Ya know, a friend and I talked about that last night and we weren't sure if it was just a cosmetic thing that we were just noticing or if it had actually just been changed

So they have invested time and resources in changing the animation for very old mounts instead of using those resurces in fixing real issues (like Bramble staff). That's how low priority the F2P community realty is...

 

[Merlin]

Okay so having 3.1k... we're here talking in a bg setting not 1v1. his CB capped out at 2.9k ish. Assuming you didn't get into a 1v1 during a bg... that plus ANY instant cast kills you. I don't see what points you're trying to prove other than to just argue that you're doing something that matters.

i only got back to bg a couple days ago .. but i have not deliberately avoid cb .. i mean i am in fights with someone else and see cb coming at me from the side, and i didnt avoid it, and i got hit, but i have never died from it before .. which makes me even more unlikely to avoid it .. but like you said its a bg, we get hit from all directions sometimes, unless its a 1v1 situation .. so its hard to avoid such thing, if its really powerful and kill me 1 shot, i would have make it a point to watch out for the green ball coming at me, or avoid coming close to any purple bar enemy

the other thing is .. when you said 2.9k .. you mean it literally removes 2.9k from my total health ? it has never happened before with any locks and that includes twink locks .. can it be because of the deduction in dmg from some things ? i know all my abiliities on paper is one thing, when it lands on the enemy, its a totally different set of numbers

 

[glancealot]

I remember you talking about your DKs before... those were a joke and I saw you get embarassed MANY times. It was always lackluster... why do you think any of this new nonsense will matter?

We already talked about the 27+ Glad Warriors... they are also only effective versus non-twink groups or groups that have 1 or 2 real twinks.

I fail to see how you are bringing anything new.

We need a seperate forum for jadefire's arguments with almost everyone.

 

[Lateraldrop]

We need a seperate forum for jadefire's arguments with almost everyone.

It feels like If jade and glance never posted again this forum would have like 50% less activity.