80 Twink DPS
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Oliks
Check it!
Because its a dumb question...
Like we're gonna stop everything we're doing, just because some random guy starts making stupid commands, without even putting the slightest amount of time into learning it himself, or even putting time together to just make 1 single chardev for each spec etc..
What you're asking us to do, is so insanely timeconsuming, that its just stupid.. And you're shouldnt recieve a descent answer, since your question isnt descent..
And if its so easy.. Why dont you just do it youself..
Like we're gonna stop everything we're doing, just because some random guy starts making stupid commands, without even putting the slightest amount of time into learning it himself, or even putting time together to just make 1 single chardev for each spec etc..
What you're asking us to do, is so insanely timeconsuming, that its just stupid.. And you're shouldnt recieve a descent answer, since your question isnt descent..
And if its so easy.. Why dont you just do it youself..
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Amaya
Legend
Yes, because it's incredibly hard to switch to your pve spec and go bang on a dummy for 5 minutes while you wait in queue.
I've done it with my characters, but none of them are BiS. All that yields me is the probable order specs stand in DPS, not what numbers they yield.
Arcane >= Fire >> Arms >= Unholy > TG Fury >= 2H Frost. Not sure where Elemental stands because my Elemental shaman needs a lot to gear and I don't want to farm on it if Elemental and Enhancement are considerably inferior to other specs. Same goes with my warlock.
Oh yeah, where exactly did I issue a command to go do this? I simply asked and as usual twinks made their typical ignorant comments and then bitched more when they got called out on it.
I'm not asking people to go roll a toon and gear them out just to do this, I'm asking people with preexisting and geared toons to share their information and experience.
I've done it with my characters, but none of them are BiS. All that yields me is the probable order specs stand in DPS, not what numbers they yield.
Arcane >= Fire >> Arms >= Unholy > TG Fury >= 2H Frost. Not sure where Elemental stands because my Elemental shaman needs a lot to gear and I don't want to farm on it if Elemental and Enhancement are considerably inferior to other specs. Same goes with my warlock.
Oh yeah, where exactly did I issue a command to go do this? I simply asked and as usual twinks made their typical ignorant comments and then bitched more when they got called out on it.
I'm not asking people to go roll a toon and gear them out just to do this, I'm asking people with preexisting and geared toons to share their information and experience.
Sutter Cane
Legend
This is a game that people tend to break down into the smallest fractions of stat weights when deciding how to gear or gem their toon. Every item with a proc is number crunched until a dps value can be assigned to it. It's not unreasonable for someone to wonder if maybe someone had researched this and put it on the web somewhere and that maybe a twink board would a logical place to ask. Not sure why it has drawn such venom here. It's not like he posted it then 10 minutes later bumped it and complained nobody had the answer.
Aelobin
DK Twink (80 / 85 / 101)
Whilst the responses to your thread could be taken as unwelcoming, let me just explain another perspective:
Anyway, I like to think I'm a nice person, so I'll try point you in an alternate direction. You'd have no way of knowing whether or not someone on here was exaggerating their numbers (which lets face it, is possible). You'd then need to factor in things like outside buffs, varying player skill, latency, RNG, nearby target dummies (making AoE spells boost the DPS number). My suggestion? Use a combination of SimCraft and CharDev. That way you can just make a profile (or use a premade one) for each class/spec, instead of searching for people with BiS gear (which is often debatable, but I won't get into that).
In your post, you didn't say why you wanted all this data. Without a reason, people are less likely to be willing to help out if they think they might be wasting their time. I'm now curious as to why you could want all this information? Surely the only DPS numbers that matter are for the classes/specs of the twinks that you play (which should be easy to find out by visiting a target dummy yourself). If you want to know which is the top dps class, you could have just asked that instead and anyone here would have told you to go roll an arcane mage.
From the way you originally worded your post, it could be quite easy for someone to mistake it for you asking them for all the DPS values rather than just the class/spec they play. A better way to go about this might have been to ask "What is the best target dummy dps you have done on your 80 twink?"
I think if someone had gone through the effort to do this research, the data would be stickied in this section (or at least searchable). He also didn't provide any of his own data in his original post, which shows he hadn't done that much 'research' before making the thread.
Anyway, I like to think I'm a nice person, so I'll try point you in an alternate direction. You'd have no way of knowing whether or not someone on here was exaggerating their numbers (which lets face it, is possible). You'd then need to factor in things like outside buffs, varying player skill, latency, RNG, nearby target dummies (making AoE spells boost the DPS number). My suggestion? Use a combination of SimCraft and CharDev. That way you can just make a profile (or use a premade one) for each class/spec, instead of searching for people with BiS gear (which is often debatable, but I won't get into that).
PS: Insulting a loyal/active member isn't gonna help you.
Taitaih
OG
Nobody really cares about how much damage you can simulate on a target dummy (unbuffed). Classes will vary greatly when they are fully raid buffed in a PvE environment. Dummies are good for practicing your rotation, but as an accurate measure of PvE DPS, they certainly are not.
I know you don't care about raid buffs and blah blah, but I still don't see the point of this experiment. What exactly are you trying to prove, and why should we take the time to help you in proving your point? In the end, you're still stuck at probable top-DPS because you're not raid buffed.
I know you don't care about raid buffs and blah blah, but I still don't see the point of this experiment. What exactly are you trying to prove, and why should we take the time to help you in proving your point? In the end, you're still stuck at probable top-DPS because you're not raid buffed.
Splosion
Mr Theory
Target dummies aren't just about rotation, anyone in a friendly guild can just get raid buffs to help them find out what their target dummy dps is. The issue is, for example, a class like MM hunters, who recieve lots of crit for damaging targets above a certain % health. If the target dummy is 1/1, that % health is constant, so they'd produce abnormally high amounts of dps on a dummy, even without buffs.
The reason most have dismissed this topic (I was going to skip it, til I saw how much had come of the thread), is because in a level 80 raid (outside of Festergut), you just have too many other factors to deal with, including raid buffs. Like Aelobin said, the "Max" dps that all classes can provide comes from using chardev and simulationcraft, and a little class knowledge to put the two together (For example, how good are some t10 set bonuses compared to using full cataclysm blues on a per-class basis?)
But whichever, it seems this forum is just turning into a "ask a question, expect immediate answers"-type forum currently.
Oliks
Check it!
Exactly what i think..
People dont even think about providing some kind of effort into it, they just espect us to do it, not even considering the amount of time we put into doing these things..
Taitaih
OG
It's also apparently massively time consuming for you to explain why you want these results.
*shrug* I have access to a very large level 80 guild who might or might not want to help if you could give some CONTEXT.
threesets
Beats on Fourteens
well you are not providing anything to why you need these "experiments" done, so why did you even post this?
