70 lock help

[sewergator]

Hey I'm starting my adventure into this bracket. I have done some digging and couldnt find an answer to my questions for a warlock. I was wondering if stacking haste would be better than stacking int. Also I was wondering about getting 2 of each of the brutal sets and skipping the 4pc. And filling in the legs spot for the legs from sunwell (don't remember the name) and would the staff from felmyst be bis over brutal? Also what trinkets should I shoot for since my lock is human?



Thanks in advance,

Sewer

 

[Levaquin]

Stacking Int generally yields the greatest damage increase, depending on your gear setup. What spec are you wanting to play?



Depends on how much resil you want to run, generally the felmyst staff is better.

GLG + Noise machine IMO.



More information about what spec you want to play would be useful.



- Levaquin #1 Warlock US/EU

 

[sewergator]

I have it down to affliction and maybe demo for fun. I am not sure as to how much resil to shook for though, what's a decent number to shoot for? Also how much spell pen do you need @70.



I have the most fun with affliction and will probably use it to arena, but if not affliction it will be demo for sure.

 

[Gihipoxu]

U need at least the glove enchant with haste, solely for faster fears, also about 10% haste wouldn't be bad, don't go affliction it is for retarded manadrainers who can't play in synergy and get a kill by cc..

Stack about 600 resi and u need 70 pene (since all undeads have 70 pene at this level else ur fucked) Also get hit cap cause ur cc is the most important in ur matches. And seriously don't go affliction, u will see the ratings of all the high rated nooblocks tunnel down after the patch, gonna be epic lulz.

 

[Orbit]

Stack resilience like a boss to survive the rogues, ferals and warriors^^



Oh, and don't go Affliction like all those other jews that think they know how to play, it's sad.

 

[Kushington]

U need at least the glove enchant with haste, solely for faster fears

Pretty sure Fear, Sheep etc are not effected by haste anymore, heard talk a while ago that they were going to do that, this may not be the case but might want to look into it.

 

[Falkor]

prettttty sure they are

 

[Gihipoxu]

Pretty sure Fear, Sheep etc are not effected by haste anymore

 

[fearowshima]

Made me lol.

 

[fearowshima]

I have it down to affliction and maybe demo for fun. I am not sure as to how much resil to shook for though, what's a decent number to shoot for? Also how much spell pen do you need @70.



I have the most fun with affliction and will probably use it to arena, but if not affliction it will be demo for sure.

I've got a fair few years lock xp under my belt - nothing compared to the self-professed and titled "#1 Warlock US/EU: Levaquin" however...

Demo is easily the best lock spec for survivability and damage at present for both pvp and pve.

So if you can get used to the play style, definitely hit this up over aff or destro. It's boring as hell at first, but once you get used to the rotation of stuns etc - it's actually pretty fun.

I was mainspec Destro and offspec Aff before the overall lock dmg nerf just before cata release, and thus was forced to play demo - haven't looked back since.



As for your stats:

- As has been said 70 spell pen gets you just over the dreaded fear resist cap, myself I roll with 77 spell pen - and never get resisted.

- Haste HASTE HASTE HASTE and more Haste - this is your most important stat as a demo lock in pvp. 1.2 sec fears is pretty sexy, believe me. Also you want your hand of guldan refresh to sync with your immolate ticks, so Max Haste is advisable: so anything 15% and over.

- As an aff lock I stacked mass resil - was rolling with 610 and around 1300 sp. Resil however isn't as necessary as a Demo lock, and obviously as you are haste stacking it will take away opportunities to resil gem etc.

Aim for around 400 resil as demo, and just use demon armor over fel armor so that a healer's heals have 30% extra effectiveness to cater for the loss of damage reduction.

- Hit cap is also a must - so hit the 4% and nothing more.



So I take it you're just pvping, so I declined to post about Demo Pve - which is a slightly different kettle of fish. I'm lucky enough to have 2 completely different gear sets comprising of SW and Brutal Gear for PVP, and 100% BIS gears for PVE - all gemed and enchanted accordingly. If you wanna know more about Demo PVE, drop me a PM - it's pretty sick doing 26.2k AOE DPS as a 70

 

[Orbit]

I've got a fair few years lock xp under my belt - nothing compared to the self-professed and titled "#1 Warlock US/EU: Dottrick" however...

Fixed

Demo is easily the best lock spec for survivability and damage at present for both pvp and pve.

Wrong. Demo has got no-selfhealing or defensives whatsoever and afaik, if you get spelllocked in a Hand of Guldan, both your Shadow and Fire tree are on lockdown. The only defensive Cooldown it has is a 3minute CD Metamorph that's also their only Offensive CD... The only things that make Demo even the least bit interesting are the Demo Form which has a pretty long CD, the instant PetSummon+Burst+Stun and the 10% stamina, but then you lose the spelllock (which is imo > stun). Affliction lock is probably the best in PvP atm but it doesn't have any burst and just relies on DoT damage, which is sad. Also, if you get spelllocked as Affliction, all you can do is Searing Pain, you're pretty much useless. Destro is imo the way to go. As Destro you get :

- Nether Ward + 30% Reduction from magic effects after it.

- Conflagrate (A core damage ability that does massive amount of fire damage and dazes the target)

- Chaos Bolt (A core damage ability that goes through Absorbs and cannot be resisted -> ByebyeCoSlifesaver)

- 15% Haste after Soulfire (+8% Damage after 4.0.6)

- 30% Haste after Conflag

- Instant Shadowbolts&Incinerates when damaged by Ranged/Melee abilities

- Replenishment+Health regain after Soulfires/Chaos Bolts

- Balance between Shadow and Fire abilities in PvP. If you get spelllocked during Immolate/chaosbolt/incinerate, you can still do Fear/(Instant)SBolts/Curses/Banes/Corrupts/Drain Life/... for more benefit afterwards.

Haste HASTE HASTE HASTE and more Haste - this is your most important stat as a demo lock in pvp

*Beep* Wrong. It might be interesting for PvE (don't give a shit about that btw), but Haste is definitely not the primary stat of the lock in PvP. Get 600Resi, then go for INTELLECT > HASTE.

 

[fearowshima]

*Beep* Wrong. It might be interesting for PvE (don't give a shit about that btw), but Haste is definitely not the primary stat of the lock in PvP. Get 600Resi, then go for INTELLECT > HASTE.

I said for Demo did I not? And haste is the primary stat for a Demo lock if you are not over that HoG-immolate threshold, which most PVP Demo locks who are at 5% haste are not. *So it appears the Best 70 Lock cannot read*

Wrong. Demo has got no-selfhealing or defensives whatsoever and afaik, if you get spelllocked in a Hand of Guldan, both your Shadow and Fire tree are on lockdown.

Demonic Aegis ??? That's by definition a 'self-heal' right there when you have Demon Armor up, because you're adding to heals cast on you by an extra 10%.



And 50% of all dmg done by a demo lock is done by their pet, so I'd consider Fel Synergy a survivability/self heal talent because it's hugely responsible for maintaining your overall effectiveness to CC and Dmg.



Also, if you think Meta is merely an offensive ability, then lol. 600% armor increase, chance of being crit reduced by 6% and 50% stun reduction? Tell me how that is not defensive? Plus the Demon leap is an extra 2 sec stun, which when used correctly in sequence with death-coil, axe toss and even fear = a caster's equivalent to a rogue stun-lock.



I don't know the amount of times Meta has saved me against burst openers in 2v2 - but it's been a fair few, and then it was definitely more effective as a D than an O ability.



But you're right, Destro probs is an easier spec to kill peeps on if you're supported by a 700+ resil healer. O, and if you're complaining about the global CD on hand of g being an issue, perhaps cast it during a stun rotation? Fakecasting also helps.

 

[Gihipoxu]

Heal ur pet? More heals on urself? I wouldn't really call that self healing 6 seconds for a 2k heal on his pet with glyph of devour is a lot better then u only healing ur pet, ur pet isn't even 'self'. Demo is certainly easier if ur new to the game and apparently u also need haste cause u have trouble with los. How would destro be easier to kill peeps if ur supported by a healer? U said demo has more damage and even stunlock Pretty sure DR will fuck up ur stunlock don't know if demonic leap is a controlled stun but I'll take my chances. If u have to fakecast ur hand of guldan every time, ur haste point is pretty much irrelevant since u will need more time to actually cast it. Besides why would u fakecast a shadow/fire tree spell, that just sounds stupid to me just fakecast an immolate or fear so u don't get both trees locked out..

 

[Orbit]

I said for Demo did I not? And haste is the primary stat for a Demo lock if you are not over that HoG-immolate threshold, which most PVP Demo locks who are at 5% haste are not. *So it appears the Best 70 Lock cannot read*

Stop trying to troll me in a retarded way, I just explained why Demo is NOT the best for PvP and why it should NOT stack Haste, because they will die like flies.

Demonic Aegis ??? That's by definition a 'self-heal' right there when you have Demon Armor up, because you're adding to heals cast on you by an extra 10%.

And 50% of all dmg done by a demo lock is done by their pet, so I'd consider Fel Synergy a survivability/self heal talent because it's hugely responsible for maintaining your overall effectiveness to CC and Dmg.

FAILLLL. Demonic Aegis is NOT selfhealing, it just grants the extra +10% healing IF your healer isn't CCd, the only way it would account for selfhealing is for Death Coil etc, and we all know that Death Coil at 70 heals for almost two times nothing. Selfhealing is when you can actively heal yourself, by NOT RELYING ON OTHER PEOPLE. IE: Glyph of Felhunter/Healthstone/DeathCoil/Siphon Life/DrainLife/Soul Leech. Demonology only lets you lose selfhealing and gives a 10% bonus to some spells that heal for basicly nothing, fact. And again, double fail since Fel Synergy is NOT selfhealing, it's healing for your pet, and Fel Synergy doesn't even come close to the amount Devour Magic heals for felpuppy in PvP.

Also, if you think Meta is merely an offensive ability, then lol. 600% armor increase, chance of being crit reduced by 6% and 50% stun reduction? Tell me how that is not defensive? Plus the Demon leap is an extra 2 sec stun, which when used correctly in sequence with death-coil, axe toss and even fear = a caster's equivalent to a rogue stun-lock.

I don't know the amount of times Meta has saved me against burst openers in 2v2 - but it's been a fair few, and then it was definitely more effective as a D than an O ability.

You keep asking if i'm too retarded to read, but it seems you're just too retarded to read properly and keep asking if I am so you feel safe if I'm in the same room with you. I literally said "The only defensive Cooldown it has is a 3minute CD Metamorph that's also their only Offensive CD..." and you come with "If you think that Meta is merely an offensive ability". Please, L M A O.

Also, "Demon leap is an extra 2 sec stun", Shadowfury > Demon Leap, fact.

But you're right, Destro probs is an easier spec to kill peeps on if you're supported by a 700+ resil healer. O, and if you're complaining about the global CD on hand of g being an issue, perhaps cast it during a stun rotation? Fakecasting also helps.

First, thanks for finally acknowledging that I'm right and Destro is indeed the most viable spec to play with on High Resi, you're right about that too. You see, I'm a little bit humble é. But however, I'm not complaining about how "the global CD on HoG" is an issue, I explained how a spelllock during HoG locks out both your Fire&Shadow trees and that IS an issue. Even if you fakecast a kick, or a counterspell (or even both), your immolate has run out and half of the purpose of doing HoG is gone. Demo is _NOT_ a viable PvP spec 70 since you lack core abilities as well.



And can you please come with decent arguements so I don't need to repeat myself or just admit you're wrong.