64 mage
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brobot
Legend
the 64 twink disgust/hate whatever you want to call it is getting a bit stale. i understand alot of the 60's dont like the bracket in it's current setup. Its not our fault (the 64's), blizzard changed the brackets not us. Also this "have fun getting your gear" that i've seen a couple times now doesnt really hold any water for me. Having high level friends run me through old raids in 20-30 minutes is far less fun than me tanking instances my own level (with people me own level) and seeing how many mobs i can hold aggro on all the while the possibility of pieces of gear i still need dropping. But thats just me.
On a side note, it was pretty awesome when i did my first xp of bg and saw all the thunderfury's and old armor sets.
TL;DR - i understand 60's are upset at the brackets, stop blaming/taking it out on the 64's. It's not our fault.
and to the op, queue's for myself and my friend have been 14-16 minutes pretty consistently.
Hapsen
Legend
^ i like how the ppl that are destroying their own bracket are ignorant enough to say "its not our fault"
oh well keep on beliving that brobot, and then when the 60.64 bracket is completely gone you can say "i didnt do anything"
sigh on ppl to simple to see what 64's are doing to this bracket.
anywho 60 frostm is op to a point of .. yeah, just roll 60 and you will still make ppl mad with icelance.
oh well keep on beliving that brobot, and then when the 60.64 bracket is completely gone you can say "i didnt do anything"
sigh on ppl to simple to see what 64's are doing to this bracket.
anywho 60 frostm is op to a point of .. yeah, just roll 60 and you will still make ppl mad with icelance.
shanker
OG
first of players who make 64's are the same type that make 24's and 74's....they want to be at the top of the new system of bracketing implemented not to long ago.
as for 64's ruining the bracket, that is a matter of opinion, generally of those who have like T3 and T3.5 gear no longer obtainable and have rings and trinkets no longer in the game, etc. they were enjoying ruling the bracket....someone else is wearing the shoe now and they don't like it
running for old 60 gear is very painful, and even worse now with 85's wanting transmorg gear. getting rep with old factions for quests to get rings with like BoN or rep and all the turn in items for gear in AQ is tougher. imo a waste of time.
you can build a 64 using dungeon finder, and be PVP ready in a week
i play F2P-20 and face 24's, play 70 and face a few 74's.....never complain, that is the system. do no play 60-64, que times were too long for me when i tested it
as for 64's ruining the bracket, that is a matter of opinion, generally of those who have like T3 and T3.5 gear no longer obtainable and have rings and trinkets no longer in the game, etc. they were enjoying ruling the bracket....someone else is wearing the shoe now and they don't like it
running for old 60 gear is very painful, and even worse now with 85's wanting transmorg gear. getting rep with old factions for quests to get rings with like BoN or rep and all the turn in items for gear in AQ is tougher. imo a waste of time.
you can build a 64 using dungeon finder, and be PVP ready in a week
i play F2P-20 and face 24's, play 70 and face a few 74's.....never complain, that is the system. do no play 60-64, que times were too long for me when i tested it
brobot
Legend
heres the thing sweet cheeks, the bracket is 60-64. deal with it. I am sorry all you 60's with your awesome gear (truth not sarcasm) got put into a different bracket, i get it. But name calling, snide comments in bg's isnt going to make me or anyone i know who has a 64 stop playing a 64 and roll a 60. when i play in xp off brackets i twink (which i assume s what everyone does, which is why this "the 64's are ruining the bracket" argument makes absolutely zero sense, we're twinking the best we can in a bracket and you since you've been moved no longer are the best twinked. Somehow thats our fault.), which means having the best gear/enchants etc etc (that i can afford at the time.) And in this case, being at the max level of the bracket to get the max number of sockets on my gear i can (21 i think when i have everything). If i could hit some magic button and give 60's their own bracket again i would, all the bitching and moaning is annoying. I do find it curious though, somehow 64's are the bane of this brackets, yet if you were to read alot of threads on here or thw wow forums about the bracket. A lot of 60's claim they do nothing but steamroll 64's because the 64's are so bad and the 60's so pro. We cant be both, we're either horrible and get steamrolled or the levels/bc gear ruins your games. which one is it.
shanker said:
this, for god sakes this. for me, being dragged through old raids by an 85 or 2 is not fun, its boring as shit. I'm not rerolling just to play on a server with a 60's only guild either. I have no interest in doing those raids again. However tanking bc instances on a level appropriate character, with people my own level, while hoping for drops i still need is quite fun.
Hapsen
Legend
you are telling me that i shuld read up on the forums, well funny thing i am not to shure you have read up on the forums cus if you had you wuld have noticed the incredible amount of 60s quitting the bracket either lvl'ing their toons or just stopped playing them.
the thing i am pointing out is that ppl that play 64 only play 64 because they are either to stupid to realise what they are doing to their own bracket or just doesn't give a fuck.
brobot
Legend
or twinking in its essence is optimizing your character for maximum potential, gear spec, enchants etc etc in any given bracket. in 60-64 being 64 yields maximum results as already pointed out ill have 21 gem slots at 64 when i obtain dungeon gear. yet for some reason a lot of people don't want people to actually twink there characters however they want, what you want everyone in this bracket to do is to conform to some arbitrary set of rules that you all deem must be done, because that's how it should be because that's how you did it. At the end of the day the bracket is 60-64 and as ive stated before i understand your dilemma to a point but i'm going to play in the bracket and optimize my character how i see fit. If you don't want to level yours up to 64 that's fine, i don't really know what to tell you. If its the look of the gear some of you are worried about losing, transmorg comes out in 4.3, level to 64 and change the looks of the gear.
"to stupid to realize what they are doing to their own bracket"
yep everyone who plays at anything over 60 is stupid. apparently complaining about people playing within the level restrictions in a given xp off bracket endlessly isn't though.
all in all i think all the gy camping in wsg does far more dmg to the bracket. nothing like being stuck to your gy for 15 minutes.
and to address your saying your not so sure i read the forums because of all the quitting posts, i read them. they seem to be akin to the the people on the wow general boards "im quitting cause of x" yet they dont quit. i've had virtually the same exact queue times the past 2-3 weeks whenever i queue, 13-14 minutes, which for this supposed mass exodus of twinks is pretty impressive. Which isnt as bad as at all as i thought it'd be when i read these forums before i made my 64. gives me time to get some quests done, farm some ore and rare mob hunt.
edit - i also like how you quote my post then dont respond/ignore everything in it and then make up that i said you should read the forums, which i never said.
still would like an answer to my question, are the 64's super bad players that the majority of 60's roll through with ease, or does the bc gear, gems, levels etc give us such an advantage that we're a detriment (in your opinion of course.)
"to stupid to realize what they are doing to their own bracket"
yep everyone who plays at anything over 60 is stupid. apparently complaining about people playing within the level restrictions in a given xp off bracket endlessly isn't though.
all in all i think all the gy camping in wsg does far more dmg to the bracket. nothing like being stuck to your gy for 15 minutes.
and to address your saying your not so sure i read the forums because of all the quitting posts, i read them. they seem to be akin to the the people on the wow general boards "im quitting cause of x" yet they dont quit. i've had virtually the same exact queue times the past 2-3 weeks whenever i queue, 13-14 minutes, which for this supposed mass exodus of twinks is pretty impressive. Which isnt as bad as at all as i thought it'd be when i read these forums before i made my 64. gives me time to get some quests done, farm some ore and rare mob hunt.
edit - i also like how you quote my post then dont respond/ignore everything in it and then make up that i said you should read the forums, which i never said.
still would like an answer to my question, are the 64's super bad players that the majority of 60's roll through with ease, or does the bc gear, gems, levels etc give us such an advantage that we're a detriment (in your opinion of course.)
shanker
OG
complain to blizzard...it will fall on deaf ears, they are the ones who changed the bracket. it can happen again. look years back at 20 twinks that played in the 10-20 bracket, blizz changed it to 10-19, 20's went into 20-29. at first they tried to stay 20 and get others to do so. some even held out till 2007 they either went to 29, or rerolled into other brackets
not just this one was affected 70-74 was also, but since all the gear is available and easily obtained PVE or PVP, most stay at 70.
as stated before, trying to build a vanilla wow 60 can't be done with ease, 3 raids are gone, head/shoulder enchants are gone, even level 50 libram head/leg enchants are gone. so one can never make what some call a true twink 60 or compare to a old 60 twink.
having a old 60 twink and complaining about a 64 is being a hypocrit...imo
currently a 64 gets more talent points, in MOP it appears that a 60 and 64 will have no talent advantage, spells/abilities you will have to wait and see how those are done. those may change too where they are trained every 5 levels meaning other than some gear....60's and 64's will be more equal
not just this one was affected 70-74 was also, but since all the gear is available and easily obtained PVE or PVP, most stay at 70.
as stated before, trying to build a vanilla wow 60 can't be done with ease, 3 raids are gone, head/shoulder enchants are gone, even level 50 libram head/leg enchants are gone. so one can never make what some call a true twink 60 or compare to a old 60 twink.
having a old 60 twink and complaining about a 64 is being a hypocrit...imo
currently a 64 gets more talent points, in MOP it appears that a 60 and 64 will have no talent advantage, spells/abilities you will have to wait and see how those are done. those may change too where they are trained every 5 levels meaning other than some gear....60's and 64's will be more equal
Hapsen
Legend
sorry for cutting out all the waste, anywho if you are getting all emotional on me i guess im gonna have to say something to stop you pms.
to answer the question -witch matters next to nothing other than stopping your pms -witch is the reason for me not to answer it in the first place-- i do not find 64's too mutch of a problem, ofc i die to them alot cus a 60 priest vs a 64 rogue is basically a 0 chance fight, this does not piss me off at all bcus yes a twink will be a twink if you wanna know what does piss me off about 64's is something you can read in my previous post in this thread.
Josselinbeaumont
Legend
What a joke man, not our fault, you are talking like you have a legitimate existence, there never was any 64's in the entire freaking world pre 2010, not one. Let's this be clear. And not even now, because this is not legitimate, you can say whatever you want, there is no "our". If all 60's goes, there is no "64 bracket". Not in hell... Tbfh, there should be rules to focus fire all 64s in bg, they won't be there for long. You have no rights, do you understand ? So stop even dare asking 64 advices like you own this place, go hide. I can't even believe what I'm reading "it's not our fault, we existed before, we just want to share this place now", what a joke.
brobot
Legend
I don't know how else to say it, the bracket is 60-64 to say we don't have an "existance" is idiotic, very idiotic. To state that anybody other than level 60's has absolutely no right to play in a bracket, designed by blizzard to be 60-64 is nonsense. Again, you dont like the bracket, i understand and feel for you guys but im not going to stop playing my 64 because you dont like it. I highly doubt many people will either. I also never said there were 64 twinks previous to the changes to bg's (if i did please quote me so i change it, because thats not what i meant.) I'm also going to continue to say "our" in regards to the bracket, because its not just a bracket for the 60's wether you learn to accept that or keep crying like a spoiled child is up to you. the bracket is 60-64 other than petitioning blizzard (which unfortunately probably wont result in anything.) to put 60's off by themselves. Focus fire away man, it wont really matter.
do you have any idea just how ridiculous you come across as? Seriously, grow up.
I havent asked anybody for any advice, so im not sure what exactly your talking about. I also never claimed to own this place. Not entirely sure how one would "ask for advice like i own the place." Go hide? Nah, don't think i will as internet threats never pan out.
i never said 64's existed before, as i mentioned above (if i did please quote me so i change it, because thats not what i meant.) I think its pretty obvious they didnt and thats because of the way the brackets were setup before they wouldnt have made for a very good twink, as wasn't an optimal level for said bracket. Now however is a different story, 64 is optimal level for this bracket (60-64) due to the availability of various things like gear and gems etc. Why can't we share it? Why are some of you so vehemently against it? It seems like some of you think the time you put into your characters in either being dragged through old raids by friends or running it with of level people is some how magically worth more than the time we put into our characters. Apparently wanting to share something is a joke, but wanting to ostracize everything other than what you deem "acceptable" isn't. Go petition blizzard if you honestly feel this strongly about it. Apparently twinking effectively and to the best of ones ability in this bracket is somehow so vile and underhanded that people feel the need to verbally assault others. Even though that'd be hypocritical.
Twinks complaining about people twinking effectively in a "new" bracket after they lose there old bracket, i understand your frustration but your hate of people twinking properly in this "new" bracket is misplaced and very uncalled for. Pretty stupid in my eyes.
and Josselinbeaumont you come across as VERY angry, you might want to go chill out and take a break before you give yourself a heart attack over a video game.
Josselinbeaumont
Legend
Yes you did, you implied it by your "it's not our fault", this implies that you existed before the change and that suddenly you face no choice but to join 60's bracket to sort of survive, which is a lie. You people decided to make 64's because it was bis, and lvl 60's had activity, activity that they engineered since the creations of times, thus they have full righs over this bracket. And 64's now have destroyed that bracket, at least in eu, not sure in us. And then you throw it's not "our fault", do you want me to define what's a Fault ?
Or you meant, that it's not your fault if Blizzard controls you with a carrot on a stick, that you cannot process a decision making, only follow the carrot & fotm ? that's what you meant ? I missed the part where it's any better ?
How selfish is it to want the death of a bracket, just for one's pseudo glory and request air time on top of that ?
Why not going 69 or 65 ? You ding one level you are almost the same toon, what's wrong with that ? Oh sry to ask stupid questions, I know why...
brobot
Legend
are you retarded? serious question.
ITT: a twink complaining about someone else twinking. (and said complainer might actually be retarded.)
Fragments
Legend
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/turalyon/Fragments/advanced
Almost BiS.
Items I still need:
High Priority:
Neltharion's Tear
Mind Quickening Gem
Shoulder Enchant
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Sigil of Shaffar
2x Thrallmar Rings
Almost BiS.
Items I still need:
High Priority:
Neltharion's Tear
Mind Quickening Gem
Shoulder Enchant
Low Priority:
Sigil of Shaffar
2x Thrallmar Rings
