50s Questions

Jaska

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Hello. I'll get straight to the point:

1) Is it possible to have a self sustainable level 50 character (i.e. able to fund game time tokens without putting too much time into it)?

2) Do people raid/pvp (BGs) actively on the bracket or is it a rare occurrence?

3) How behind would I be if I used proper level 50 (raid/dung/pvp) gear instead of SL greens?

Thanks.
 
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Didnt the SL gear get a heavy nerf (or flat out disabled) ? That'd mean you be on a decent footing doing BFA stuff. Meaning doing the weekly invasions, your weekly masks runs. If you can stomach that, you'll already be fairly competitive me thinks.
 
Didnt the SL gear get a heavy nerf (or flat out disabled) ? That'd mean you be on a decent footing doing BFA stuff. Meaning doing the weekly invasions, your weekly masks runs. If you can stomach that, you'll already be fairly competitive me thinks.
I honestly have no idea. I would be coming into this absolutely fresh. I stopped playing retail in mid-Cata so everything past that is very new to me. I figured playing level 50 would allow me to catch up on previous expansios/lore, while enjoying one of the things I still like about this game - twinking.

Who knows, maybe I'd even consider playing SL if I enjoy playing 50 as it is supposed to be played (PvE/PvP for gear, not just buying greens from AH from current xpac).
 
Hey I've been playing level 50 on the EU realms for a few months now, so I can try to answer your questions and post a little bracket review / state of the bracket report.
First of all pretty much none of the prominent members of this bracket use xpoff or any other forums to communicate. There are in-game communities on both factions that serve as the main hubs. There is almost no cross-faction communication either. You will also find that the factions really hate each other for whatever reason.
1) Is it possible to have a self sustainable level 50 character (i.e. able to fund game time tokens without putting too much time into it)?
I don't have any experience making my own gold in wow, so I hope someone else can answer this better... Making ~300k gold a month seems pretty difficult/time consuming but maybe not, idk.
2) Do people raid/pvp (BGs) actively on the bracket or is it a rare occurrence?
Starting with raids:
I play alliance so I'm speaking from that pov. Most alliance players are pveers. They run heroic nyalotha consistently every week. They rarely make it past Xanesh though, so keep that in mind. They also sometimes run mythic and kill a few bosses. Also, in case you're actually interested in pve, keep in mind these raids are not strictly level 50 - They invite as many 60s as they can find (though Nyalotha is pretty unpopular because the transmogs suck).
The horde also run weekly nyalotha, though I know less about how it works for them. My understanding is that it's pretty much the same thing. The horde side has most of the actual pvp players in this bracket.

Side note: on november 3rd 9.1.5 comes out and might change how difficult Nyalotha is (I'm not sure):
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As for battlegrounds:
Honestly the quality of games and queue times are in a pretty shit state. Since I've joined the bracket (approx. 2 months ago) I've heard constant promises of "things will get better soon", "x players are coming back next week/soon", etc from various other twinks.
None of this has happened yet, and you should assume it won't.
Battlegrounds pop consistently in the afternoons and evenings (~15:00 - 23:00) once every hour or so. Sometimes slower, especially in the earlier hours of the afternoon, and sometimes faster (down to 15 minute queues sometimes) in the late hours of the evening.
However, most of the players in these battlegrounds are not twinks. And most of those who are twinks are not pvp players, at all.
The 50 bracket is positioned uniquely as a sponge for a lot of new / returning players who haven't bought Shadowlands yet. This is most of the bracket. There is a sub-community of actual twinks (like me) who have chosen level 50 specifically, but most of these players are on horde, which creates a huge imbalance of factions when all the twinks are queuing simultaneously (rarely happens).
Right now the reality is: 70% of the games you get into are either completely stomped by alliance because horde didn't have enough twinks, or vice versa. ~30% of the games have roughly equal numbers of twinks (usually 3v3 or 4v4 with the rest being random 50s) and those games are fun.​

Skirmishes:
50 twinks never queue skirmishes. I don't know why. I've been queuing almost every day and pretty much never run into anything except random 50s with no gear.​
3) How behind would I be if I used proper level 50 (raid/dung/pvp) gear instead of SL greens?
You've probably, like me, been reading some of the posts in the 50 section here on xpoff, which are mostly written by the american 50 players. The culture around gear is WAY different (much more casual) on the european side. In general the bracket seems much more popular in america (that's the impression I get from reading here on xpoff).

So basically, if you have gear from visions (ilvl 125) mixed with some Nyalotha heroic gear, you're already outgearing 90% of the bracket. People don't take character building very seriously here. On a side note most of the playerbase is very uninformed about itemization in general. Humans generally don't run rele trinkets. People generally build too little vers. A lot of people have no pvp trinket equipped at all.
If you care at all about itemization and character building, and have a basic understanding of stats, you'll be miles ahead of the average player in this bracket already.

It took me about a month of visions + joining community raids to get to a gear level that is more than good enough. I can still improve it, but at this level I don't feel like gear is holding me back anymore.

I hope some of this info helped :) Let me know if you have more questions or whatever
 
Hey I've been playing level 50 on the EU realms for a few months now, so I can try to answer your questions and post a little bracket review / state of the bracket report.
First of all pretty much none of the prominent members of this bracket use xpoff or any other forums to communicate. There are in-game communities on both factions that serve as the main hubs. There is almost no cross-faction communication either. You will also find that the factions really hate each other for whatever reason.

I don't have any experience making my own gold in wow, so I hope someone else can answer this better... Making ~300k gold a month seems pretty difficult/time consuming but maybe not, idk.

Starting with raids:
I play alliance so I'm speaking from that pov. Most alliance players are pveers. They run heroic nyalotha consistently every week. They rarely make it past Xanesh though, so keep that in mind. They also sometimes run mythic and kill a few bosses. Also, in case you're actually interested in pve, keep in mind these raids are not strictly level 50 - They invite as many 60s as they can find (though Nyalotha is pretty unpopular because the transmogs suck).
The horde also run weekly nyalotha, though I know less about how it works for them. My understanding is that it's pretty much the same thing. The horde side has most of the actual pvp players in this bracket.

Side note: on november 3rd 9.1.5 comes out and might change how difficult Nyalotha is (I'm not sure):
unknown.png

As for battlegrounds:
Honestly the quality of games and queue times are in a pretty shit state. Since I've joined the bracket (approx. 2 months ago) I've heard constant promises of "things will get better soon", "x players are coming back next week/soon", etc from various other twinks.
None of this has happened yet, and you should assume it won't.
Battlegrounds pop consistently in the afternoons and evenings (~15:00 - 23:00) once every hour or so. Sometimes slower, especially in the earlier hours of the afternoon, and sometimes faster (down to 15 minute queues sometimes) in the late hours of the evening.
However, most of the players in these battlegrounds are not twinks. And most of those who are twinks are not pvp players, at all.
The 50 bracket is positioned uniquely as a sponge for a lot of new / returning players who haven't bought Shadowlands yet. This is most of the bracket. There is a sub-community of actual twinks (like me) who have chosen level 50 specifically, but most of these players are on horde, which creates a huge imbalance of factions when all the twinks are queuing simultaneously (rarely happens).
Right now the reality is: 70% of the games you get into are either completely stomped by alliance because horde didn't have enough twinks, or vice versa. ~30% of the games have roughly equal numbers of twinks (usually 3v3 or 4v4 with the rest being random 50s) and those games are fun.​

Skirmishes:
50 twinks never queue skirmishes. I don't know why. I've been queuing almost every day and pretty much never run into anything except random 50s with no gear.​

You've probably, like me, been reading some of the posts in the 50 section here on xpoff, which are mostly written by the american 50 players. The culture around gear is WAY different (much more casual) on the european side. In general the bracket seems much more popular in america (that's the impression I get from reading here on xpoff).

So basically, if you have gear from visions (ilvl 125) mixed with some Nyalotha heroic gear, you're already outgearing 90% of the bracket. People don't take character building very seriously here. On a side note most of the playerbase is very uninformed about itemization in general. Humans generally don't run rele trinkets. People generally build too little vers. A lot of people have no pvp trinket equipped at all.
If you care at all about itemization and character building, and have a basic understanding of stats, you'll be miles ahead of the average player in this bracket already.

It took me about a month of visions + joining community raids to get to a gear level that is more than good enough. I can still improve it, but at this level I don't feel like gear is holding me back anymore.

I hope some of this info helped :) Let me know if you have more questions or whatever
This is an amazing answer, thank you very much. Unfortunately, I am a bit underwhelmed. I truly expected 50s to be more active than 20s, considering the bracket consists of people that actively play the game, but haven't purchased Shadowlands. I constantly see geared 50s in open world, but I guess it makes sense that those are returning players preparing for SL, rather than players who actually stick to 50.

I guess I'll try to wait for the 'it will get better' stage. I am pretty happy with 20s at the moment, but I wanted to mix it up a bit. Maybe I will consider 50s when I am burnt out from 20 grinds.

Once again, thank you very much for answering my questions. They were plenty to get the overview of the bracket that I was looking for.
 
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Whew thought you're leaving 20s. If you're into PvE 30s are active as far as I know and Project 40 just started. That's WoD content.
 
Whew thought you're leaving 20s. If you're into PvE 30s are active as far as I know and Project 40 just started. That's WoD content.
Definitely not leaving 20s. Atleast not for a while. I just thought it would be nice to own a 50 with an active sub for occasional boosts for my own or fellow 20s. But if I am not going to play it more than my 20 I don't see a point of having one. I really thought that 50s are more active.
 
50's is plenty active, it just fluctuates. Good short queus in the morning, but depending on whose been stomping one side will need people more than the other later on, get yourself into the mixed community to see which sides needs bodies for short queus. I can invite :)

I've tried to garner interest in running 50 only raids, project 30 type deal as back during cata my 60 twink only raiding was some of the most fun i've ever had.

Homie is correct about the gear situation, most people you'll recognize after a while can solo 3 masks comfortably, but anything higher fucks em up or too tedious and people get locked to about 110 ilvl avg because of it.

Getting 5 mask carries are easily possible by a few of us, albeit tedious and sometimes SW sucks REALLY hard depending on the corruptions that week. (also getting carried is kinda boring) - to each their own.



All in all, 50's is a blast of a bracket, i have a TON of recorded footage to eventually make into videos. Twink v twink arenas, wpvp 60's, dueling 60's, 5v5 1v1 arena formats.....and that footage only goes up if we get a PVE side to the bracket.

If you can stand grinding out the cloak levels, you're 99% of the way to having a badass twink.

Make some friends, merc and make even more friends, everyone in the communities LOVES to help :)

If you'd like a jumpstart on clearing visions for cloak levels / 5 masks just add me in game, i'm Bandwe around here!

Arksnark#1757

EDIT 1 - forgot to mention i'm on US realms, doh
 
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