5.4 and enchant scaling

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Smiled while reading the profession buffs to stats, came to the end and read this.

All permanent item enhancements provided by Enchanting, Engineering, Leatherworking, Tailoring, and various vendors and quests are now able to be applied to items of any level. The effects of these enchantments will be scaled down to the level of the player using the item.
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If professions for a 80 is gonna be wotlk levels i'm gonna be PISSED. It was 80 req before the (possible) future change ^, so here's to praying it stays like that.

Source: MMO-Champion - Patch 5.4 PTR - Build 17056
 
Here's a list of enchantments and other crap I took straight from a few of my own characters.

If there's anything you guys are curious about I'll do my best to find out for you.

Level 80 Changes so far @ 13/6/13


Chaotic Skyflare Diamond
+42 Critical Strike & 3% Increased Critical Effect, up from +21 Critical Strike & 3% Increased Critical Effect


Lightweave Embroidery
No change yet! :D @ 13/06/13 (Tooltips in Tailoring menu show 200 Intellect down from 2000 Intellect though.)


Mastery on Bracers
17 Mastery down from 170 Mastery


Superior Mastery on Gloves
17 Mastery down from 170 Mastery


Fractured Lightstone
40 Mastery down from 50 Mastery


Master's Spellthread
28 Intellect & 16 Critical Strike Rating down from 285 Intellect & 165 Critical Strike Rating


Windsong
150 Haste/Mastery/Crit down from 1500 Haste/Mastery/Crit


Lifeblood - Rank 9
288 Haste down from 2880 Haste


Brilliant Queen's Garnet
20 Intellect down from 50 Intellect


Fur Lining - Intellect
50 Intellect down from 500 Intellect


Greater Mastery on Gloves
26 Mastery down from 65 Mastery


Felfire Inscription
52 Intellect + 10 Haste down from 130 Intellect + 25 Haste


Greater Expertise on Gloves
20 Expertise down from 50 Expertise


Power Torrent
200 Intellect down from 500 Intellect


Superior Expertise on Gloves
17 Expertise down from 170 Expertise


Precision on Bracers
20 Hit down from 50 Hit


Rigid Deepholm Iolite
40 Hit down from 50 Hit


Jade Spirit
165 Intellect & 75 Spirit down from 1650 Intellect & 750 Spirit


Darkglow Embroidery
No change yet! :D @ 13/6/13 (Tooltips in Tailoring menu show 300 Spirit down from 3000 Spirit though.)


Super Intellect on Bracers
18 Intellect down from 180 Intellect


Lavawalker
18 Mastery + Run Speed down from 35 Mastery + Run Speed


Savage Armor Kit
14 Stamina down from 36 Stamina


Superior Intellect on Off-Hand
16 Intellect down from 40 Intellect


Delicate Inferno Ruby
16 Agility down from 40 Agility


Solid Deepholm Iolite
30 Stamina down from 75 Stamina


Inscription of the Earth Prince
78 Stamina + 10 Dodge down from 195 Stamina + 25 Dodge


Protection on Cloak
12 Stamina down from 30 Stamina


Greater Stamina on Chest
30 Stamina down from 75 Stamina


Solid Ocean Sapphire
24 Stamina down from 40 Stamina


Twilight Leg Armor
34 Stamina + 18 Agility down from 85 Stamina + 45 Agility


Mighty Agility on 2H
52 Agility down from 130 Agility


Enchanted Spellthread
22 Intellect + 26 Stamina down from 55 Intellect + 65 Stamina


Synapse Springs
192 Main Stat down from 1920 Main Stat


All of the 359 Alchemy Trinkets have been slightly altered at level 80, each ones gem bonus has been lowered, 4 Int/Agi down from 10 Int/Agi & 4 Crit Rating down from 10 Crit Rating




Level 85 Changes so far @ 13/6/13


Socket Bonus on Zom's Misty Hood
45 Agility down from 180 Agility


Agile Primal Diamond
54 Agility + 3% Crit Effect down from 216 Agi + 3% Crit Effect


Vivid Wild Jade
Unchanged from live. 80 Power/80 Resilience


Perfect Stormy Lapis Lazuli
160 PvP Power


Greater Tiger Claw Inscription
50 Agility + 25 Crit down from 200 Agility + 100 Crit


Stormy Deepholm Iolite
100 PvP Power up from 50 PvP Power


Greater Agility on Bracers
45 Agility down from 180 Agility


Superior Expertise on Gloves
43 Expertise down from 170 Expertise


Shadowleather Leg Armor
71 Agility + 41 Crit down from 285 Agility + 165 Crit


Blurred Speed
35 Agility + Minor Speed down from 140 Agility + Minor Speed


Greater Agility on Ring
40 Agility down from 160 Agility


Windsong
375 Crit/Haste/Mastery down from 1500 Crit/Haste/Mastery


Flask bonus from Alchemy at 85 only gives 80 Primary Stat
Flask of Spring Blossoms = 1080 Agility instead of the normal 1000.


Socket Bonus for Davidian's All-Seeing Eyes
45 Strength down from 180 Strength


Reverberating Primal Diamond
54 Strength + 3% Crit Effect down from 216 Strength + 3% Crit Effect


Quick Serpent's Eye
120 Haste down from 480 Haste


Fierce Lava Coral
25 Strength + 50 Haste up from 25 Strength + 25 Haste


Greater Tiger Fang Inscription
50 Strength + 25 Crit down from 200 Strength + 100 Crit


Superior Critical Strike on Cloak
45 Crit down from 180 Crit


Glorious Stats
20 Stats down from 80 Stats


Exceptional Strength on Bracers
45 Strength down from 180 Strength


Super Strength on Gloves
43 Strength down from 170 Strength


Angerhide Leg Armor
71 Strength + 41 Crit Rating down from 285 Strength + 165 Crit Rating


Pandaren's Step
35 Mastery + Minor Speed down from 140 Mastery + Minor Speed


Greater Stamina on Ring
60 Stamina down from 240 Stamina


Solid Serpent's Eye
120 Stamina down from 480 Stamina


Socket Bonus on Endwyn's Toothy Visage
68 Stamina down from 270 Stamina


Greater Ox Horn Inscription
75 Stamina + 25 Dodge down from 300 Stamina + 100 Dodge


Greater Protection on Cloak
50 Stamina down from 200 Stamina


Sha Armor Kit
38 Stamina down from 150 Stamina


Ironscale Leg Armor
108 Stamina + 41 Dodge down from 430 Stamina + 165 Dodge


Austere Primal Diamond
81 Stamina + 2% Increased Armor down from 324 Stamina + 2% Increased Armor


Serpent's Eyes
80 Main Stats or 120 Secondary Stats @ 85


All Secondary Stat gems have been doubled in value for their respective levels at least. Except Resilience Gems.


Dancing Steel
412 Strength/Agility down from 1650 Strength/Agility


Jade Spirit
412 Intellect/188 Spirit down from 1650 Intellect/750 Spirit


Synapse Springs
480 Main Stat down from 1920 Main Stat


Enchants/Gems get scaled up or down depending on what character their transferred to and from. 160 Agility gem made on a level 90 becomes a 16 agility gem on an 80 for example, yet still can't be used due to ilvl restriction...

Looks like all tooltips scale for said items, so you can link back and forth to different level characters to find out stats.
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Have there been any changes to level restrictions on therazane enchants, or even the MoP ones? Pity the RPPM enchants were hit so hard, and I'm somewhat disappointed by the leatherworking ones (70s get more than that on live, which is just dumb).

I'm assuming standard wotlk epic gems aren't affected at 80? What about 85, could it mean we don't need the cata epic gems at all anymore, just an epic gem with the correct stats? (same could be said for 70 gems actually)

Same question about 70 metas, especially stuff like the insightful mana proc metas (and haste ones).
 
Splosion said:
Have there been any changes to level restrictions on therazane enchants, or even the MoP ones?
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Therazane enchants still require level 85 to apply to an item and are soulbound when you purchase them.
Agility enchant on BoA scales down to 20 Agi + 10 Mastery from 50 Agi + 25 Mastery on a level 80.
Using Therazane enchants on BoE's still make the item soulbound.




Splosion said:
I'm assuming standard wotlk epic gems aren't affected at 80? What about 85, could it mean we don't need the cata epic gems at all anymore, just an epic gem with the correct stats? (same could be said for 70 gems actually)
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Wrath gems at 80 aren't affected it seems, apart from the double secondaries. 85 Epic gems look like they'll be BiS for 85's, due to no epic quality gems at level 90 yet. And as for using 85 epic gems in 80 gear, no point because they get scaled down to Wrath epic gem level.




Splosion said:
Same question about 70 metas, especially stuff like the insightful mana proc metas (and haste ones).
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I'm not so sure about this as I don't have a 70 on the PTR, but I'm assuming the metas will work the same as MoP down to Cata and Cata down to Wrath, in which the stats are reduced to the meta levels of that expansion.
 
samppalol said:
In 85 bracet when 5.4 hits live (and notes do not get changes much) cata gems and enchants is better than mop. Exp bracers enchants, MoP one's gives 45str in ptr, but cata 50str is still 50str.
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Yeah, looks like the best enchants and gems will be for the equivalent expansion for that twinking level, 80 - Wrath, 85 - Cata and 90 - MoP.

The fun will be finding any exceptions to the rule.
 
Zmirnøff said:
Therazane enchants still require level 85 to apply to an item and are soulbound when you purchase them.
Agility enchant on BoA scales down to 20 Agi + 10 Mastery from 50 Agi + 25 Mastery on a level 80.
Using Therazane enchants on BoE's still make the item soulbound.
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I actually found this out using atlasloot after I posted, but I was hoping that they'd be slightly better than the MoP ones. How wrong I was. As it stands for pure dps the MoP one still isn't quite as good as the Hodir enchant at 80.
Wrath gems at 80 aren't affected it seems, apart from the double secondaries. 85 Epic gems look like they'll be BiS for 85's, due to no epic quality gems at level 90 yet. And as for using 85 epic gems in 80 gear, no point because they get scaled down to Wrath epic gem level.
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I actually meant the other way around :3 But they shouldn't scale up, that's been said already.
I'm not so sure about this as I don't have a 70 on the PTR, but I'm assuming the metas will work the same as MoP down to Cata and Cata down to Wrath, in which the stats are reduced to the meta levels of that expansion.
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Aye, seems that way. It's having some weird effects on the available enchants though, my 70 has lots of some stats and less of others. Seems like secondaries are the way to go though.

How about mixology? :3
 
Splosion said:
How about mixology? :3
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Like I said in my original... Mess? :D
Flask bonus from Alchemy at 85 only gives 80 Primary Stat
Flask of Spring Blossoms = 1080 Agility instead of the normal 1000.

So although I don't have an alchemist at level 80 anymore I'd assume the bonus no matter what flask you use will be 32 of that stat. Duration is still doubled at 85 at least. Don't see why it wouldn't at level 80.
 
Zmirnøff said:
Like I said in my original... Mess? :D
Flask bonus from Alchemy at 85 only gives 80 Primary Stat
Flask of Spring Blossoms = 1080 Agility instead of the normal 1000.
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tl;dr \o/

So although I don't have an alchemist at level 80 anymore I'd assume the bonus no matter what flask you use will be 32 of that stat. Duration is still doubled at 85 at least. Don't see why it wouldn't at level 80.
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Magnerz @ The Maelstrom - Community - World of Warcraft

Liar :D
 
If this goes ahead along with the massive vengeance nerf, would this make a big chunk of level 80 soloing impossible due to DPS checks? For paladins at least, I don't know about DK's or other classes.
 
Simple said:
I'd just like to add into for, that for now most of the enchant tooltip are wrong, the only things that have actually changed so far that i've seen is Synapse giving 192 primary stat and lifeblood giving 288 haste at 600. (Blizzard love wrong tooltips)
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PTR is PTR. I'm not even getting benefit from gems on there.
 
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