5.4 and enchant scaling

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    • Smiled while reading the profession buffs to stats, came to the end and read this.

    All permanent item enhancements provided by Enchanting, Engineering, Leatherworking, Tailoring, and various vendors and quests are now able to be applied to items of any level. The effects of these enchantments will be scaled down to the level of the player using the item.
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    If professions for a 80 is gonna be wotlk levels i'm gonna be PISSED. It was 80 req before the (possible) future change ^, so here's to praying it stays like that.

    Source: MMO-Champion - Patch 5.4 PTR - Build 17056
     
    Here's a list of enchantments and other crap I took straight from a few of my own characters.

    If there's anything you guys are curious about I'll do my best to find out for you.

    Level 80 Changes so far @ 13/6/13


    Chaotic Skyflare Diamond
    +42 Critical Strike & 3% Increased Critical Effect, up from +21 Critical Strike & 3% Increased Critical Effect


    Lightweave Embroidery
    No change yet! :D @ 13/06/13 (Tooltips in Tailoring menu show 200 Intellect down from 2000 Intellect though.)


    Mastery on Bracers
    17 Mastery down from 170 Mastery


    Superior Mastery on Gloves
    17 Mastery down from 170 Mastery


    Fractured Lightstone
    40 Mastery down from 50 Mastery


    Master's Spellthread
    28 Intellect & 16 Critical Strike Rating down from 285 Intellect & 165 Critical Strike Rating


    Windsong
    150 Haste/Mastery/Crit down from 1500 Haste/Mastery/Crit


    Lifeblood - Rank 9
    288 Haste down from 2880 Haste


    Brilliant Queen's Garnet
    20 Intellect down from 50 Intellect


    Fur Lining - Intellect
    50 Intellect down from 500 Intellect


    Greater Mastery on Gloves
    26 Mastery down from 65 Mastery


    Felfire Inscription
    52 Intellect + 10 Haste down from 130 Intellect + 25 Haste


    Greater Expertise on Gloves
    20 Expertise down from 50 Expertise


    Power Torrent
    200 Intellect down from 500 Intellect


    Superior Expertise on Gloves
    17 Expertise down from 170 Expertise


    Precision on Bracers
    20 Hit down from 50 Hit


    Rigid Deepholm Iolite
    40 Hit down from 50 Hit


    Jade Spirit
    165 Intellect & 75 Spirit down from 1650 Intellect & 750 Spirit


    Darkglow Embroidery
    No change yet! :D @ 13/6/13 (Tooltips in Tailoring menu show 300 Spirit down from 3000 Spirit though.)


    Super Intellect on Bracers
    18 Intellect down from 180 Intellect


    Lavawalker
    18 Mastery + Run Speed down from 35 Mastery + Run Speed


    Savage Armor Kit
    14 Stamina down from 36 Stamina


    Superior Intellect on Off-Hand
    16 Intellect down from 40 Intellect


    Delicate Inferno Ruby
    16 Agility down from 40 Agility


    Solid Deepholm Iolite
    30 Stamina down from 75 Stamina


    Inscription of the Earth Prince
    78 Stamina + 10 Dodge down from 195 Stamina + 25 Dodge


    Protection on Cloak
    12 Stamina down from 30 Stamina


    Greater Stamina on Chest
    30 Stamina down from 75 Stamina


    Solid Ocean Sapphire
    24 Stamina down from 40 Stamina


    Twilight Leg Armor
    34 Stamina + 18 Agility down from 85 Stamina + 45 Agility


    Mighty Agility on 2H
    52 Agility down from 130 Agility


    Enchanted Spellthread
    22 Intellect + 26 Stamina down from 55 Intellect + 65 Stamina


    Synapse Springs
    192 Main Stat down from 1920 Main Stat


    All of the 359 Alchemy Trinkets have been slightly altered at level 80, each ones gem bonus has been lowered, 4 Int/Agi down from 10 Int/Agi & 4 Crit Rating down from 10 Crit Rating




    Level 85 Changes so far @ 13/6/13


    Socket Bonus on Zom's Misty Hood
    45 Agility down from 180 Agility


    Agile Primal Diamond
    54 Agility + 3% Crit Effect down from 216 Agi + 3% Crit Effect


    Vivid Wild Jade
    Unchanged from live. 80 Power/80 Resilience


    Perfect Stormy Lapis Lazuli
    160 PvP Power


    Greater Tiger Claw Inscription
    50 Agility + 25 Crit down from 200 Agility + 100 Crit


    Stormy Deepholm Iolite
    100 PvP Power up from 50 PvP Power


    Greater Agility on Bracers
    45 Agility down from 180 Agility


    Superior Expertise on Gloves
    43 Expertise down from 170 Expertise


    Shadowleather Leg Armor
    71 Agility + 41 Crit down from 285 Agility + 165 Crit


    Blurred Speed
    35 Agility + Minor Speed down from 140 Agility + Minor Speed


    Greater Agility on Ring
    40 Agility down from 160 Agility


    Windsong
    375 Crit/Haste/Mastery down from 1500 Crit/Haste/Mastery


    Flask bonus from Alchemy at 85 only gives 80 Primary Stat
    Flask of Spring Blossoms = 1080 Agility instead of the normal 1000.


    Socket Bonus for Davidian's All-Seeing Eyes
    45 Strength down from 180 Strength


    Reverberating Primal Diamond
    54 Strength + 3% Crit Effect down from 216 Strength + 3% Crit Effect


    Quick Serpent's Eye
    120 Haste down from 480 Haste


    Fierce Lava Coral
    25 Strength + 50 Haste up from 25 Strength + 25 Haste


    Greater Tiger Fang Inscription
    50 Strength + 25 Crit down from 200 Strength + 100 Crit


    Superior Critical Strike on Cloak
    45 Crit down from 180 Crit


    Glorious Stats
    20 Stats down from 80 Stats


    Exceptional Strength on Bracers
    45 Strength down from 180 Strength


    Super Strength on Gloves
    43 Strength down from 170 Strength


    Angerhide Leg Armor
    71 Strength + 41 Crit Rating down from 285 Strength + 165 Crit Rating


    Pandaren's Step
    35 Mastery + Minor Speed down from 140 Mastery + Minor Speed


    Greater Stamina on Ring
    60 Stamina down from 240 Stamina


    Solid Serpent's Eye
    120 Stamina down from 480 Stamina


    Socket Bonus on Endwyn's Toothy Visage
    68 Stamina down from 270 Stamina


    Greater Ox Horn Inscription
    75 Stamina + 25 Dodge down from 300 Stamina + 100 Dodge


    Greater Protection on Cloak
    50 Stamina down from 200 Stamina


    Sha Armor Kit
    38 Stamina down from 150 Stamina


    Ironscale Leg Armor
    108 Stamina + 41 Dodge down from 430 Stamina + 165 Dodge


    Austere Primal Diamond
    81 Stamina + 2% Increased Armor down from 324 Stamina + 2% Increased Armor


    Serpent's Eyes
    80 Main Stats or 120 Secondary Stats @ 85


    All Secondary Stat gems have been doubled in value for their respective levels at least. Except Resilience Gems.


    Dancing Steel
    412 Strength/Agility down from 1650 Strength/Agility


    Jade Spirit
    412 Intellect/188 Spirit down from 1650 Intellect/750 Spirit


    Synapse Springs
    480 Main Stat down from 1920 Main Stat


    Enchants/Gems get scaled up or down depending on what character their transferred to and from. 160 Agility gem made on a level 90 becomes a 16 agility gem on an 80 for example, yet still can't be used due to ilvl restriction...

    Looks like all tooltips scale for said items, so you can link back and forth to different level characters to find out stats.
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    Have there been any changes to level restrictions on therazane enchants, or even the MoP ones? Pity the RPPM enchants were hit so hard, and I'm somewhat disappointed by the leatherworking ones (70s get more than that on live, which is just dumb).

    I'm assuming standard wotlk epic gems aren't affected at 80? What about 85, could it mean we don't need the cata epic gems at all anymore, just an epic gem with the correct stats? (same could be said for 70 gems actually)

    Same question about 70 metas, especially stuff like the insightful mana proc metas (and haste ones).
     
    Splosion said:
    Have there been any changes to level restrictions on therazane enchants, or even the MoP ones?
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    Therazane enchants still require level 85 to apply to an item and are soulbound when you purchase them.
    Agility enchant on BoA scales down to 20 Agi + 10 Mastery from 50 Agi + 25 Mastery on a level 80.
    Using Therazane enchants on BoE's still make the item soulbound.




    Splosion said:
    I'm assuming standard wotlk epic gems aren't affected at 80? What about 85, could it mean we don't need the cata epic gems at all anymore, just an epic gem with the correct stats? (same could be said for 70 gems actually)
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    Wrath gems at 80 aren't affected it seems, apart from the double secondaries. 85 Epic gems look like they'll be BiS for 85's, due to no epic quality gems at level 90 yet. And as for using 85 epic gems in 80 gear, no point because they get scaled down to Wrath epic gem level.




    Splosion said:
    Same question about 70 metas, especially stuff like the insightful mana proc metas (and haste ones).
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    I'm not so sure about this as I don't have a 70 on the PTR, but I'm assuming the metas will work the same as MoP down to Cata and Cata down to Wrath, in which the stats are reduced to the meta levels of that expansion.
     
    samppalol said:
    In 85 bracet when 5.4 hits live (and notes do not get changes much) cata gems and enchants is better than mop. Exp bracers enchants, MoP one's gives 45str in ptr, but cata 50str is still 50str.
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    Yeah, looks like the best enchants and gems will be for the equivalent expansion for that twinking level, 80 - Wrath, 85 - Cata and 90 - MoP.

    The fun will be finding any exceptions to the rule.
     
    Zmirnøff said:
    Therazane enchants still require level 85 to apply to an item and are soulbound when you purchase them.
    Agility enchant on BoA scales down to 20 Agi + 10 Mastery from 50 Agi + 25 Mastery on a level 80.
    Using Therazane enchants on BoE's still make the item soulbound.
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    I actually found this out using atlasloot after I posted, but I was hoping that they'd be slightly better than the MoP ones. How wrong I was. As it stands for pure dps the MoP one still isn't quite as good as the Hodir enchant at 80.
    Wrath gems at 80 aren't affected it seems, apart from the double secondaries. 85 Epic gems look like they'll be BiS for 85's, due to no epic quality gems at level 90 yet. And as for using 85 epic gems in 80 gear, no point because they get scaled down to Wrath epic gem level.
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    I actually meant the other way around :3 But they shouldn't scale up, that's been said already.
    I'm not so sure about this as I don't have a 70 on the PTR, but I'm assuming the metas will work the same as MoP down to Cata and Cata down to Wrath, in which the stats are reduced to the meta levels of that expansion.
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    Aye, seems that way. It's having some weird effects on the available enchants though, my 70 has lots of some stats and less of others. Seems like secondaries are the way to go though.

    How about mixology? :3
     
    Splosion said:
    How about mixology? :3
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    Like I said in my original... Mess? :D
    Flask bonus from Alchemy at 85 only gives 80 Primary Stat
    Flask of Spring Blossoms = 1080 Agility instead of the normal 1000.

    So although I don't have an alchemist at level 80 anymore I'd assume the bonus no matter what flask you use will be 32 of that stat. Duration is still doubled at 85 at least. Don't see why it wouldn't at level 80.
     
    Zmirnøff said:
    Like I said in my original... Mess? :D
    Flask bonus from Alchemy at 85 only gives 80 Primary Stat
    Flask of Spring Blossoms = 1080 Agility instead of the normal 1000.
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    tl;dr \o/

    So although I don't have an alchemist at level 80 anymore I'd assume the bonus no matter what flask you use will be 32 of that stat. Duration is still doubled at 85 at least. Don't see why it wouldn't at level 80.
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    Liar :D
     
    If this goes ahead along with the massive vengeance nerf, would this make a big chunk of level 80 soloing impossible due to DPS checks? For paladins at least, I don't know about DK's or other classes.
     
    Simple said:
    I'd just like to add into for, that for now most of the enchant tooltip are wrong, the only things that have actually changed so far that i've seen is Synapse giving 192 primary stat and lifeblood giving 288 haste at 600. (Blizzard love wrong tooltips)
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    PTR is PTR. I'm not even getting benefit from gems on there.
     
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