39 TESTING ON PTR! info inside

[Magrim]

on my warrior in def stance, he'll take me from 100-0 in rough 10-12 seconds.

I don't see how, disarm itself lasts for 10 seconds.

 

[Moonwalks]

I don't see how, disarm itself lasts for 10 seconds.

we were calculating my hp/dmg mitigation against his dps... not all out fights

 

[clinical]

So is there a blue post on this? What exactly is being removed? Leg enchants are being removed or being grandfathered or what?

 

[Druiddroid]

So is there a blue post on this? What exactly is being removed? Leg enchants are being removed or being grandfathered or what?

we're basing everything off of the PTR.



what a great source, i know

 

[Swoopsies]

we're basing everything off of the PTR.



what a great source, i know

Haha so true... I'll be the first to admit, I'm QQing pretty hard about all this. But who really knows, maybe we're all getting upset/excited over nothing

 

[Ramune]

Haha so true... I'll be the first to admit, I'm QQing pretty hard about all this. But who really knows, maybe we're all getting upset/excited over nothing

lol, i sure hope not. i'm just telling myself that it's only the PTR and these changes might not make it to live... but it's getting harder to tell myself that every day.

 

[Sockdolager]

irrespective of who's opinion i agree with about twinking, twinking can be whatever the person making their twink wants it to be. there is no right or wrong way to do it.



i've mentioned it multiple times in the bloodlust thread, physical dps isn't changing and in some cases seems to be even higher (ret paladins and apparently hunters on the ptr), hp is going to be dropping to less than what it would of been had leg patches stayed in. healers / casters wll have less SP meaning less dps and less healing so unless dps enchants are changed the 39 bracket is moving away from being balanced which has nothing to do with whether or not it will still be as playble or as much fun as it has been.



luckily i didn't spend any irl money on buying my naxx enchants just lots of gold but the time spent getting them and pride in finally obtaining them will be lost which is prety annoying.



what people have to realise is that people never started off their twinks with naxx from day 1 and 450/450 (mainly because they didnt exist back then). so all these people calling 'lols' about good players losing their 'crutches' should remember that 99% of the time the players they're trying to ridicule were recognised for their ability long before they got any grandfathered items or professions. and should those players think about quiting it's probably not because they have now lost their long flowing hair which grants them magical powers but more likely because they feel cheated by blizzard for wasting their time and effort and were probably looking for a reason to quit anyway.

well said fata



I purchased WOTLK for my twinks

I leveled 70-80 for my twinks

I have obtained over 250 emblems of valor for my twinks

I have obtained over 600 stonekeeper's shards for my twinks

I have obtained, separately with unique server transfers for each, 4 naxx enchants

I have leveled 3 twinks to 450 mining

I have leveled 1 to 450 skinning

I have leveled 1 to 450 herbalism



and now all of this is deemed NA?



it isn't "crying" when I say Fuck that.



It's more disbelief that Blizzard expects me to continue to pay them when they essentially take from me hundreds of hours of work (yes it is work to obtain all of this).



I guess I am more surprised at the opinion of many twinks that support these ptr changes? I guess it will easy-fy the playstyle formerly known as twinking, attracting more and more DPS classes to face roll the unsurvivables. And no doubt you will have a much easier time creating half effort twinks for all brackets. And if you roll in a premade most of the time congratulations - you will have an even easier time of things against pugged targets with considerably less survivability.



congratulations if that's what you deem "victory for twinking".



Too the outspoken oldschoolers who welcome return to "better age of twinking" : I have been twinking as long as battlegrounds have existed - live realm with 30 stam BOAs are the best it has been for the 39 bracket in terms of class and spec balance ever. Praise of this change is really just praising easy-moding lower level pvp characterization.



XOXOX

Sock

 

[Morroz]

I would like to hear, Just to make sure, That Stat lenses are not nerfed. With changes like getting rid of naxx and such, There's a possibility something could be up with them, Or they could become even better because of the HUGE stat differance!

 

[Druiddroid]

I purchased WOTLK for my twinks

I leveled 70-80 for my twinks

I have obtained over 250 emblems of valor for my twinks

I have obtained over 600 stonekeeper's shards for my twinks

I have obtained, separately with unique server transfers for each, 4 naxx enchants

I have leveled 3 twinks to 450 mining

I have leveled 1 to 450 skinning

I have leveled 1 to 450 herbalism



and now all of this is deemed NA?



it isn't "crying" when I say Fuck that.



It's more disbelief that Blizzard expects me to continue to pay them when they essentially take from me hundreds of hours of work (yes it is work to obtain all of this).

yes, it does suck that all of the hard earned work you put in will not pay off.

I guess I am more surprised at the opinion of many twinks that support these ptr changes? I guess it will easy-fy the playstyle formerly known as twinking, attracting more and more DPS classes to face roll the unsurvivables. And no doubt you will have a much easier time creating half effort twinks for all brackets. And if you roll in a premade most of the time congratulations - you will have an even easier time of things against pugged targets with considerably less survivability.

or it will make it more challenging for people that don't play hunters and rogues.



i'm all for a challenge. i know that if i outskill someone, even if they have the best class and gear, i will be able to survive their onslaught most of the time. it just takes mastery of CC, LoS, movement, etc. i would agree rogues may become more of an issue.

congratulations if that's what you deem "victory for twinking".

just like grandfathered professions...



i call it balancing gear out for everyone, including the high percentage of players that pug. i don't call it 'victory for twinking,' i call it an improvement on lower level brackets. we'll see how it pans out in 30+. i don't expect it to be too much different though.

Too the outspoken oldschoolers who welcome return to "better age of twinking" : I have been twinking as long as battlegrounds have existed - live realm with 30 stam BOAs are the best it has been for the 39 bracket in terms of class and spec balance ever.

about what percentage of 39s actually got BoA shoulders? i know that in terms of twinks, it's well under half, at least in my battlegroup.

Praise of this change is really just praising easy-moding lower level pvp characterization.

you can always get better at WoW, no matter which bracket you play in. 10-19 is a great bracket. i learned MANY things there, mainly the basics of movement. you can't crutch on class abilities or mounts to carry you, you have to use movement and anticipation.



i fail to see how this easymodes anything. you can still pick any of nine classes, all of which have different abilities. you can always improve on them, or you can faceroll on any of them too. ok, so a hunter that sucks can do good dps, but that doesn't mean you have to be an easymode player...

 

[Sockdolager]

i fail to see how this easymodes anything.

then you fail to see the forest through the trees :/

 

[Swoopsies]

well said fata



I purchased WOTLK for my twinks

I leveled 70-80 for my twinks

I have obtained over 250 emblems of valor for my twinks

I have obtained over 600 stonekeeper's shards for my twinks

I have obtained, separately with unique server transfers for each, 4 naxx enchants

I have leveled 3 twinks to 450 mining

I have leveled 1 to 450 skinning

I have leveled 1 to 450 herbalism



and now all of this is deemed NA?



it isn't "crying" when I say Fuck that.



It's more disbelief that Blizzard expects me to continue to pay them when they essentially take from me hundreds of hours of work (yes it is work to obtain all of this).



I guess I am more surprised at the opinion of many twinks that support these ptr changes? I guess it will easy-fy the playstyle formerly known as twinking, attracting more and more DPS classes to face roll the unsurvivables. And no doubt you will have a much easier time creating half effort twinks for all brackets. And if you roll in a premade most of the time congratulations - you will have an even easier time of things against pugged targets with considerably less survivability.



congratulations if that's what you deem "victory for twinking".



Too the outspoken oldschoolers who welcome return to "better age of twinking" : I have been twinking as long as battlegrounds have existed - live realm with 30 stam BOAs are the best it has been for the 39 bracket in terms of class and spec balance ever. Praise of this change is really just praising easy-moding lower level pvp characterization.



XOXOX

Sock

Very well put. Excellent post. I also agree with you about, in my own words, "wtf are you twinkings thinking agreeing with/accepting this?" Srsly...



Lastly, I do not have Naxx enchants on my shoudlers, I do not have >300 prof's, but I DO have BoA's w/chants on em, etc. etc. and I think the majoirty of those excited about this are those too lazy to go to the max and twink their toons (i.e. hitting 80 on a "main", farming heroics/WG for tokens, etc.).



As put best my Guild Leader in his Meet the Twinks interview, in response to this question:



If you could get 1 single message to Blizzard in regards to twinking, what would it be?



Jadyn wrote:

Freedom. WoW is about options and the freedom to do what you want. You can raid, you can pvp, you can solo, you can do dungeons. You can collect achievements, you can collect pets, you can learn professions, you can fish, you can play the AH, you can become rich, or make a twink. Blizzard, I ask that you keep in mind the ideas of freedom and options when considering twinks. Give us more things to obtain if you want, but at the very least, do not take things away. Hurting any aspect or community within WoW hurts WoW itself. Don’t do it for us, do it because it’s smart business.

 

[Jadyn]

and right now your looking at losing ~900hp...so if u swap in AGM and 100hp leg libram your still missing ~680hp



and quite a bit of sp

And I'm fine with that. Swap in SoJ, and I'm still at a comfortable level of sp, so that isn't an issue. I'm starting to think that people got a little too comfortable with their BoA enchants and profs. I didn't hit 450 until last weekend, and didn't have boas until the week before, and I was fine.



If you point out that in a premade people will be focused, I'll point out that in a premade people will be buffed, even with class buffs people will have more health, and if they're uncomfortable, they can grab rumseys. If burst gets to be too much, I'll go heavy disc for the new PWS talents. In other words, burst isn't going to be so stupidly high that a healer is useless. And that's good enough for me.

 

[Jadyn]

Very well put. Excellent post. I also agree with you about, in my own words, "wtf are you twinkings thinking agreeing with/accepting this?" Srsly...



Lastly, I do not have Naxx enchants on my shoudlers, I do not have >300 prof's, but I DO have BoA's w/chants on em, etc. etc. and I think the majoirty of those excited about this are those too lazy to go to the max and twink their toons (i.e. hitting 80 on a "main", farming heroics/WG for tokens, etc.).



As put best my Guild Leader in his Meet the Twinks interview, in response to this question:



If you could get 1 single message to Blizzard in regards to twinking, what would it be?



Jadyn wrote:

Freedom. WoW is about options and the freedom to do what you want. You can raid, you can pvp, you can solo, you can do dungeons. You can collect achievements, you can collect pets, you can learn professions, you can fish, you can play the AH, you can become rich, or make a twink. Blizzard, I ask that you keep in mind the ideas of freedom and options when considering twinks. Give us more things to obtain if you want, but at the very least, do not take things away. Hurting any aspect or community within WoW hurts WoW itself. Don’t do it for us, do it because it’s smart business.

Calling people without mains lazy is unfair imo. I don't know about you, but in spite of my statement in your quote, I fully expected to see all these buffs get removed. And I thought everyone did? =P



There are other ways they could add freedom, by adding more dropped items. If anyone recalls patch 2.3, I think of that as one of their best moves for twinks, since they really added many more options for different specs and builds.



Much as it would be nice to not have things removed, I'm reminded of all the twinks on Kilrogg alliance who just rerolled here without mains so that they could play against us. And I also know of a number of twinks who simply never leveled mains. Another expression of "freedom" is to allow those twinks without mains to compete on equal footing.



I'll requote this though:

Hurting any aspect or community within WoW hurts WoW itself. Don’t do it for us, do it because it’s smart business.

This will hurt the community a bit, but I think in the long run it may improve, provided they don't do more damage. Lowering available enchants to more affordable stuff will open up the floor to more people to play a lower brackets, both to twink and for fun while leveling. Getting more competition in pugs is a good thing.



What I think Blizzard should be doing is communicating on what they're intending to do. That is something that could reduce the hurt to the community.

 

[Druiddroid]

then you fail to see the forest through the trees :/

ok so it easymodes SOME things.. i guess that was my point.

 

[Fatapult]

I never expected 30 stam to stay for shoulders, i have 4 boa shoulders all with the 30 stam on them but only use them for one of my twinks, and even then that's so my rogue is hit capped without having to use baelogs and i will continue to use boa shoulders for that reason alone after the 30 stam is gone. for me using it was almost entirely incidental.



i actually kind of did expect 450 profs to stay in but i only leveled them on 3 of my twinks, more so that i could have a pretty armoury page rather than using it to overcome all opponents. (my rogue and horde hunter both still only use rank 4 lifeblood but have the ability to get to 450). i'm all for having a level playing field but honestly i don't see naxx shoulders as a huge advantage over anyone and leg kits were atainable by any and everyone. what i enjoy most about most of my twinks is their uniqueness in many regards. i actually really enjoy building my twinks and if i can no longer put in extra time or gold to get a greater sense of self satifaction then i guess twinking has a chance to become as bland as level 80. possibly more so.

 

[Swoopsies]

Calling people without mains lazy is unfair imo.

You're totally right. I would like to apologize for/retract that statement. I guess I was only comparing other to my specific situation. In that case, I would be the lazy one... I never hit 450 prof's (let alone maxed out my herbing), but then again I missed the opportunity, only having rolled a 39 twink a month or so ago. But either way... I still need to "max out" herbing... damn you barrens! /sigh

 

[Ikeelyoo]

Ret pallies hitting harder than ever? That's a shame, but we'll live. (Well, some of you might not )

 

[Moonwalks]

And I'm fine with that. Swap in SoJ, and I'm still at a comfortable level of sp, so that isn't an issue. I'm starting to think that people got a little too comfortable with their BoA enchants and profs. I didn't hit 450 until last weekend, and didn't have boas until the week before, and I was fine.



If you point out that in a premade people will be focused, I'll point out that in a premade people will be buffed, even with class buffs people will have more health, and if they're uncomfortable, they can grab rumseys. If burst gets to be too much, I'll go heavy disc for the new PWS talents. In other words, burst isn't going to be so stupidly high that a healer is useless. And that's good enough for me.

i wasnt really talking about the shoulder enchants or profs..it was more over leg kits and just losing hp as a whole thats going to matter



im not saying that it might not work out down the road but it's just something to consider especially in ruin where 90% of twinks are ret palys and hunters



btw im also hearing leg kits are bugged on the ptr (someone talked to a gm) and that they were planning to fix it sometime soon, but i have no confirmation etc..

 

[Ikeelyoo]

btw im also hearing leg kits are bugged on the ptr (someone talked to a gm) and that they were planning to fix it sometime soon, but i have no confirmation etc..

This is what I personally believe.

 

[Swoopsies]

One can only hope...