3.2 Rogues.....ugh...
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Lloydganks
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vinod said:
......no? hunters do like 2-3 times the damage of the nearest 29 class. rogues aren't even one of the top 3 dps classes at 29 anymore....
also, mongoose on OH will increase the BURST of a rogue, but it's not going to increase the dps. if you wanted pure dps, you would use an offhand with stats, not an inconsistent proc.
Maerduk
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skniwtgnidnuf said:
How do you figure, just because they were given exo back with a cast time, something that can easily be interrupted/kicked/silenced that would lock out all their abilities, since they only have holy abilities? Doubtful that a cast time exo is going to give them a huge dps buff, especially since blizz is nerfing SoC yet again and in turn significantly nerfing JoC damage as they worded it, yet again...
JoC was what provided the most amount of burst out of rets in the first place with the addition of 100% crit while stunned. With a significant nerf in damage from it, I doubt that it's going to create as much burst as it prior did, as well as a nerf in burst of SoC damage. Let's face it, rets don't have the mana pool nor the ability to sit there spamming a cast bar exo on players it's just not justifiable.
Burst from Rets may go through the roof in 49+ brackets because of AoW, but I would expect to see a diminishing effect in their damage in the lower brackets.
Lloydganks
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actually rets received a pretty huge buff that none of you have mentioned - they now get a mini-judgement of the wise when they judge command. this means that you will no longer be able to oom them at low levels, which was previously the only real counter to them.
also, if you actually do the math on the command changes, you will find that there is really not much of a dps decrease. all this + exorcism back in the game equals out to a very significant buff overall.
also, if you actually do the math on the command changes, you will find that there is really not much of a dps decrease. all this + exorcism back in the game equals out to a very significant buff overall.
Maerduk
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Lloydganks said:
Show me the math, I'm doubting anyone has real information currently on how much the dmg of JoC has been nerfed. I'm not talking of dps either, I'm talking of burst from JoC crit damage via stuns. Also where is this info on the mini judgements of the wise? I read nothing of that nature.
Lloydganks
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Ugarak said:
LOL, ok dude, good luck with that
Lloydganks
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PS:
# Paladins
* Glyph of Seal of Command: Redesigned to cause the Paladin to gain 8% of base mana each time the paladin judges Command.
# Paladins
* Glyph of Seal of Command: Redesigned to cause the Paladin to gain 8% of base mana each time the paladin judges Command.
Lloydganks
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trust me, ret paladins will not be hurting for damage post-3.2. really, they're not going to be hurting for much of anything....
Maerduk
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skniwtgnidnuf said:
hrmm I don't see anything mentioning the exact amount they are lowering the damage of JoC to. Secondly, if exo remains with the CD it currently has, claiming that returning exo with a cast time, yet having AoW making it instant cast, but nerfing AoW to work only on melee crits and not the newly nerfed JoC crits which was actually synergistic with Fanaticism is completely a burst and dps nerf. I read the blah blah blue post and all I saw was how they were thinking it will benefit pve more than it will pvp. They seem more satisfied with the changes they've made to crusader strike if anything which does not effect the lower twink brackets, and how the secret uber nerf of vindication is now describe as being both "pve and pvp friendly" now.
Lloydganks
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Maerduk said:
1. first of all, you look completely ridiculous for defending low-level ret pallies in any way, shape, or form....
2. you are complaining about judgement of command crit damage being nerfed at low levels. you can hoj + judge command once a minute. you can use exorcism 4 times a minute. the damage will be made up after the ONE exorcism you do while they're stunned. this is just a huge damage buff; it's not rocket science. stop complaining.
3. nobody cares about ret paladins. nobody. ret paladins are the stupidest thing to happen to this game since DKs. paladins even make fun of themselves as to what a joke ret is. they could take away every single offensive paladin ability other than autoattack and 99% of the wow population would seriously not even care.
4. vindication was completely and utterly broken. it's STILL broken even after the stam nerf. and it will probably STILL be overpowered as fuck after they change it to only reducing attack power.
really, you need to stop complaining that low-level ret paladins got "nerfed". they didn't. they got buffed. if you're really this concerned, why don't you just go on the PTR and see it for yourself.
yetoo
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obvious stupidity is obvious...wtf does a rogue's stealth have to do with exo's cast time. hammer+exo+joc is still gonna drop half of most classes hp. and on another note, because ret pally is so faceroll most of the time they dont even know what a fake cast is and will therefore get shit-rocked by any class with an interrupt. good times inc imo, at least against 99% of the ret pallies who are just playin cuz of its op-ness. hunters will still rule the bracket, like always. and srsly, being able to drop all my traps is just not even gonna be fun...well it might be a little bit 