2v2 Arena League: Preliminary Details

[Taeran]

This sounds great!

I (obviously) haven't really been on TwinkInfo, but all toons with Taeran or Tae in the name will almost definitely be mine on f2ptwink.

 

[Flows]

Count me in

 

[Bone]

Well if this is going to happen people should start forming teams in a separate thread where the OP can keep track of team names and the players they're made of and post it.

 

[Shockur]

Yes there is a lot of LoS and spaces are smaller, but a BM hunter with a monkey has an 8second CC chain of his own, couple that with a holy priest and nothing can survive the CC chain on the healer.



Hunters just got straight the best sustained DPS, best burst, best CC, best mobility, best snares. Also a lot of classes lack their gap closers and mobility abilities at those levels to make use of the smaller space and LoS.



But sure whatever, I got a trully skilled BM hunter I will play with, gonna run enhace/hunter with, lets see how long shit lives vs purge/shear and hunter damage

 

[Hardc0re]

Yes there is a lot of LoS and spaces are smaller, but a BM hunter with a monkey has an 8second CC chain of his own, couple that with a holy priest and nothing can survive the CC chain on the healer.



But sure whatever, I got a BM hunter I can run enhace/hunter with, lets see how long shit lives vs purge/shear and hunter damage

You Los the hunter, kill the pet, and use defensive cooldowns when there's a CC chain on the healer, or you CC the hunter while this happens.



There are N thing you can do, banning them should be the last



Edit: I'm also pretty sure that Scatter shot shares a DR with the monkey "blind"

 

[Flows]

Someone should make an arena team thread btw

Im going to have a 20 pally, druid and warrior send me a pm if ur interested in a arena comp

 

[Shockur]

You Los the hunter, kill the pet, and use defensive cooldowns when there's a CC chain on the healer, or you CC the hunter while this happens.



There are N thing you can do, banning them should be the last



Edit: I'm also pretty sure that Scatter shot shares a DR with the monkey "blind"

There are very few def CDs in this bracket, a good hunter will have "pet follow" keybound and never let his pet die. Also with insignia being at 5 min and hunter's CC being on a 1m CD, you can't win a long game either.



Monkey Blind does NOT share CD with scatter, I've tested it.



My suggestion is to ban hunter pets in arena. I think this will bring hunters on par with other classes. They will lose the ability to chain 2+ CCs on their own, and their burst will become way easier to avoid with LoS (BM hunters can burst jusy by critting for ~500 with KC)

 

[Finesse]

Ok ill keep that idea iin my head shockur, but for now there are no restrictions because we need to test it for sure before we ban anything

 

[Hardc0re]

There are very few def CDs in this bracket, a good hunter will have "pet follow" keybound and never let his pet die. Also with insignia being at 5 min and hunter's CC being on a 1m CD, you can't win a long game either.



Monkey Blind does NOT share CD with scatter, I've tested it.



My suggestion is to ban hunter pets in arena. I think this will bring hunters on par with other classes. They will lose the ability to chain 2+ CCs on their own, and their burst will become way easier to avoid with LoS (BM hunters can burst jusy by critting for ~500 with KC)

I'm still against banning everything. YET



If the hunter brings his pet back so you don't kill it, the pet won't kill you either, neither the hunter, because you are LoSing him...



When we play a lot, exhaust every possible tactic, and we still can't beat hunters, then we talk and see if we should ban their pets, their skills, or them at all.

 

[C O T U S]

idc if we ban hunters or not, they're all so bad that we'll beat them anyway



my friends and i are always interested in arenas. let me know if you want any help organizing this; i've done it in the past so i may be of assistance

 

[Shockur]

Alright, I'd like to state from now I will personally call the OP setups and abuse them to the max just to pove my point and hopefully get them banned asap.



COTUS just because we can outplay them doesn't mean we should put up wth sweating over beating absolute scrubs, thats why I will roll a hunter myself or roll with a hunter to show how OP it is when played by a non-retard and hopefully prove it needs to be banned or at least restricted.

 

[Hardc0re]

Alright, I'd like to state from now I will personally call the OP setups and abuse them to the max just to pove my point and hopefully get them banned asap.



COTUS just because we can outplay them doesn't mean we should put up wth sweating over beating absolute scrubs, thats why I will roll a hunter myself or roll with a hunter to show how OP it is when played by a non-retard and hopefully prove it needs to be banned or at least restricted.

Best of luck to you. Looking foward to beat your team ^^. I just hope you won't call mages OP and try to ban them after I do that

 

[lolItsMutank]

Im down for this.

 

[C O T U S]

Best of luck to you. Looking foward to beat your team ^^. I just hope you won't call mages OP and try to ban them after I do that

for sure, mages are the best 2v2 class in this bracket, that's why i rolled one



pretty sure this is just going to degenerate into 2 dps teams stomping everybody else who doesn't have agm

 

[Shockur]

Best of luck to you. Looking foward to beat your team ^^. I just hope you won't call mages OP and try to ban them after I do that

yeah I'd like to see you beat resto shaman BM hunter with a monkey and scorpion and has dismiss pet and call pet1/call pet2 keybound, as well as mouseover/focus macros for all the CC

 

[C O T U S]

yeah I'd like to see you beat resto shaman BM hunter with a monkey and scorpion and has dismiss pet and call pet1/call pet2 keybound, as well as mouseover/focus macros for all the CC

pretty sure mage + rogue is actually just gonna kill people in an improved cs, no matter what, unless they have agm



also, shadowstep + sap at this level is just retarded

 

[Hardc0re]

for sure, mages are the best 2v2 class in this bracket, that's why i rolled one



pretty sure this is just going to degenerate into 2 dps teams stomping everybody else who doesn't have agm

I don't know. Rogue/Warlock with a healer will be tough as hell IMO. Warlocks may suck a lot at 20s, but I think that in arena they'll be really powerfull with a healer or with a rogue (if the rogue is NE you can force a trinket on a healer, and after it you can actually full fear the healer, and have the rogue shadowmeld,stealth->sap him, so fun!).



I'm almost tempted in roll a Warlock just for arenas(it was my 85 main, and it was my 19 twink back in the day everyone agreed they sucked and I kinda made them popular on reckoning back then hehe)

yeah I'd like to see you beat resto shaman BM hunter with a monkey and scorpion and has dismiss pet and call pet1/call pet2 keybound, as well as mouseover/focus macros for all the CC

Lock+Healer would be this team easily

 

[Shockur]

pretty sure mage + rogue is actually just gonna kill people in an improved cs, no matter what, unless they have agm



also, shadowstep + sap at this level is just retarded

the hunter would have blind, scatter and intimidate to peel for me, and I got decent armor and ES on.



But seriously, I'd love to be proven wrong and this to turn out to be balanced and not require any bans.



Hardivh so far we are talking mostly about 2v2 as 3v3 would be way harder to get going.

 

[C O T U S]

^^ alt tab back into the game, we're trying to do some ab

 

[Hardc0re]

the hunter would have blind, scatter and intimidate to peel for me, and I got decent armor and ES on.



But seriously, I'd love to be proven wrong and this to turn out to be balanced and not require any bans.



Hardivh so far we are talking mostly about 2v2 as 3v3 would be way harder to get going.

I'm just talking about 2v2 as well.

A Warlock would easily LoS the big damage of the hunter and would be able to put cor+agony (+sometimes even UA depending on positioning) on the hunter, the pet, and the shaman. Forcing the Shaman's Mana, and forcing the hunter to attack them (forcing his positioning to be worse so it's easier to CC the healer).

A Boomkin would as well give you trouble because he also has 2 dots, no to mentions heals and way better mobility than a Warlock, making it even easier to LoS the hunter, but it'll lack the CC (roots wouldn't do much against a healer or a hunter).



I could immagine a Affliction Warlock+Resto Druid (that helps DPSing) as a huge problem for the Hunter/Healer team.