24s <3

[The Saint]

yeah I was implying you were a random no hoper

Ahh, now I get it. But needing the premade to beat me ( the random no hoper ) is worse I would think. That would make you less than hopeless.

But at least you know

Because 1v1ing 24s on your F2P is so much fun or putting your life in the hands of a spanish paladin with the reaction time of a ball of yarn.

But if you're 1v1ing the 24 you wouldn't need the paladin? Because that would be 2v1.

 

[Goesid]

Ahh, now I get it. But needing the premade to beat me ( the random no hoper ) is worse I would think. That would make you less than hopeless.

But at least you know



But if you're 1v1ing the 24 you wouldn't need the paladin? Because that would be 2v1.

Well, that's a different scenario hence the "or".

 

[The Saint]

Well, that's a different scenario hence the "or".

So you premade so you don't get face rolled by 24s, I can relate to that. I only play 24s so I don't get face rolled by premades and hunters.

But back before 24s became popular people were still rolling premades. That's how AP US sprung up.

 

[inoobupro]

AP US sprung up to deal with the endless 1700-2200 HP eyepatched night elf/human hunters and paladins when horde was shitty with 900 HP trash mobs and alliance literally won 90% of their bgs get ur facts straight

twas before 24s were running around en masse so horde essentially sucked really hard

 

[Zehj]

Ahh, now I get it. But needing the premade to beat me ( the random no hoper ) is worse I would think. That would make you less than hopeless.

But at least you know

its not a necessity, but it certainly helps to get those highly entertaining no hoper vs no hoper games over with quickly and hopefully move on to a better one; who knows, it might even be against one of those abominable f2p premades

now wouldn't that be awful

 

[Vail]

If you go back and read what I said, I said IF it was allowed, I didn't say it should be. But in that instance, if you didn't take one in the ring with you and other guy was allowed and did, he'd pop a cap in ya arse

I did in fact note your IF, which is why I specified ULTIMATELY. Your statement essentially comes down to suggesting that if you can do something, and get away with, it is perfectly ok to do so, and the example that was provided... Well... Whether or not it occurred to you the implication you were making is another story.

 

[The Saint]

AP US sprung up to deal with the endless 1700-2200 HP eyepatched night elf/human hunters and paladins when horde was shitty with 900 HP trash mobs and alliance literally won 90% of their bgs get ur facts straight

twas before 24s were running around en masse so horde essentially sucked really hard

The first people to play on AP were alliance, I know, I was one of them. AP was originally meant to be a hub for EU players playing in the US because it gave the best ping.

At the start of f2p EU did't pop anywhere near like US.

After a few months they went horde for more challenging games and AP horde premading was born

At the start EVERYONE was alli for the BiS agi user gear.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

 

[The Saint]

I did in fact note your IF, which is why I specified ULTIMATELY. Your statement essentially comes down to suggesting that if you can do something, and get away with, it is perfectly ok to do so, and the example that was provided... Well... Whether or not it occurred to you the implication you were making is another story.

No, my statement was, If something is allowed (I.E legal) then you may aswell do it because someone else will and ultimately bend you over with it.

"Getting away with it" wasn't anywhere in the post.

its not a necessity, but it certainly helps to get those highly entertaining no hoper vs no hoper games over with quickly and hopefully move on to a better one; who knows, it might even be against one of those abominable f2p premades

now wouldn't that be awful

Would be nearly believable if i hadn't done premades and know for a fact they are more faceroll than solo queuing on a 24.

 

[Zehj]

Would be nearly believable if i hadn't done premades and know for a fact they are more faceroll than solo queuing on a 24.

what are you having trouble believing? im not talking about which is more faceroll against no competition

premade vs premade > pug vs pug

 

[The Saint]

what are you having trouble believing? im not talking about which is more faceroll against no competition

premade vs premade > pug vs pug

I don't believe you do premade v premade, in fact I know you don't. You MIGHT meet a less rollable group every 10-15 games. I don't play this god awful bracket that many times in a month.

50p per day, RBG as much as you like. Make a 24 and beat GSC.

You want to be on a level playing field? You want competition? Have at it.

 

[Zehj]

I don't believe you do premade v premade, in fact I know you don't. You MIGHT meet a less rollable group every 10-15 games. I don't play this god awful bracket that many times in a month.

50p per day, RBG as much as you like. Make a 24 and beat GSC.

You want to be on a level playing field? You want competition? Have at it.

what? surprisingly enough ive played vs other f2p premades before, also playing in a 10v10 on us tonight

im not subbing again, and you can beat gsc without subbing

 

[The Saint]

what? surprisingly enough ive played vs other f2p premades before, also playing in a 10v10 on us tonight

im not subbing again, and you can beat gsc without subbing

it's just the million games in between running into a premade is the problem. I could say I play to run into other 24s, would you believe it? So why would I believe you when i've actually played with you?

And I'll lend you a tenner NP.

Edit; better still, I'll give you a tenner. Come put my money where your mouth is

 

[Zehj]

it's just the million games in between running into a premade is the problem. I could say I play to run into other 24s, would you believe it? So why would I believe you when i've actually played with you?

And I'll lend you a tenner NP.

Edit; better still, I'll give you a tenner. Come put my money where your mouth is

hence why im for more f2p premades, like ive said before this bracket could use some competition that isn't fotm comps or moron 24s

and as you said most pugs in this bracket are hopeless anyway, id rather beat them by playing better than them as a group instead of outgearing the shit out of them

I don't sub any more because i don't want to

 

[The Saint]

hence why im for more f2p premades, like ive said before this bracket could use some competition that isn't fotm comps or moron 24s

Then organize some instead of raping bad pugs.

and as you said most pugs in this bracket are hopeless anyway, id rather beat them by playing better than them as a group instead of outgearing the shit out of them

You don't out play them, get that notion out your head. You run a premade vs guys who'd rather farm than win. You have more advantage than a single p2p could ever have. Whether it's gear or numbers you have a massive advantage.

I don't sub any more because i don't want to

Any why's that?

 

[Zehj]

Then organize some instead of raping bad pugs.

but that takes a lot of effort, id rather just argue with people who are against them

You don't out play them, get that notion out your head. You run a premade vs guys who'd rather farm than win. You have more advantage than a single p2p could ever have. Whether it's gear or numbers you have a missive advantage.

if you ignore the comps and both teams have the same gear, the team who plays better wins

that's logic, get that notion in to your head

Any why's that?

dunno principle more than anything else, stopped in wotlk and didn't really want to start again after that

I only started playing f2p cus its free

 

[penicillin]

I only started playing f2p cus its free

Many things are free, doing them all costs a lifetime.

 

[Vail]

No, my statement was, If something is allowed (I.E legal) then you may aswell do it because someone else will and ultimately bend you over with it.

"Getting away with it" wasn't anywhere in the post.

... I'm having trouble discerning whether you are attempting to debate the syntax, or the issue. An implication (as I stated you made) , by definition, is a conclusion that is suggested... as opposed to being bluntly stated, which we can both agree you did not.

That said, I maintain that your argument is hinged on the mentality that it is OK TO DO IT IF YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. You throw around the phrase "legal" as though it provides you some immunity; stating that if the system allows for it you should do it, because you would be a fool not to. AND I again say to you, this is a game not a war... Were it a war Sun Tzu himself would acknowledge that your choice is the correct one; stating that if victory can be made easier by any means, it is then your responsibility to pursue it.



HOWEVER, I again say that this is a game, and as such while the system might allow for it, the system also allows for many things, which are frowned upon. I am aware some have played this game for a long time, and I do not mean to lecture in this regard, but in the time you took to read that last sentence I would imagine several examples had already occurred to you.

Furthermore, while something may be recognized by law or rule, that does not necessarily bind it to equity. And I believe all reading this can agree that much, regardless of whether you pay to win or not.

Should one choose to respond directly to this, they should bare in mind that I do in fact have a subscription, but even my p2p 20s abide by f2p restrictions.

 

[inoobupro]

too bad f2p can be just as scummy as 24, if not more

look at all the hunters/rogues.How u gonna tell them to stop. You cant force them

/cyas

 

[Goesid]

too bad f2p can be just as scummy as 24, if not more

look at all the hunters/rogues.How u gonna tell them to stop. You cant force them

/cyas

Scummy indeed but less scummy than 24s.

Blizz job.

 

[Kiri]

No one thinks they're the only issue, you pink unicorn. Who said they were the exclusive problem with this bracket? Clearly they're the biggest one though, considering it's practically god mode.

I'd honestly rather die 20times over to a 24 than having to put up with all these fotm hunters and rogues. I'd say hunters and rogues makes games less interesting than 24s