19 PuG - Horde

Destroy

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My thoughts in over 20 games ive played throughout this week is that horde need to fix up.

Alliance by default either have 4 hunters or 4 healers, its not even a QQ anymore, its just a fact.

Which then results in a 4 man healer defence carrying the EFC.

Horde seem to run in 1 by 1, die and start Midfielding despite many attempts to organise an offence party.

Is it just me, or are the PuGs just seem cringeworthy nowadays?

This is just IMO, and want to know yours? (This is EU ofc)
 
Destroy said:
My thoughts in over 20 games ive played throughout this week is that horde need to fix up.

Alliance by default either have 4 hunters or 4 healers, its not even a QQ anymore, its just a fact.

Which then results in a 4 man healer defence carrying the EFC.

Horde seem to run in 1 by 1, die and start Midfielding despite many attempts to organise an offence party.

Is it just me, or are the PuGs just seem cringeworthy nowadays?

This is just IMO, and want to know yours? (This is EU ofc)
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This pretty much describes how ally sees horde. Everytime I go BG ally always gets annihalated cus it's pure rogues on ally team, half of them not even twinks. So we're just steamrolled. So I doubt this 'fact' you proclaim it is, is entirely true.
 
So I doubt this 'fact' you proclaim it is, is entirely true.
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Lol true dat, mostly rage talking when i typed that; although i do still stand by the general outlook on wsgs. 80% of the wsgs i have played its been Phonebook + 4 healers in defence or Swifty + 4 healers in defence, while horde try miserably to take down the efc. The other 20% are wins when we rarely get a handful of competent players working as a team.

Not enough to deter me from 19 twinkage, just gives me more time to chill out on my main and gets me some Triumphs.

Still would like to know your opinions though.



--- Destroy
 
Most Horde typically play a damage class and don't ever have a half sane FC on the US side, it gets old really fast. Then again, there are those few games where Horde does very well, but around ~70% of the time, its bad.
 
It's FACT that Horde have basically no competent FCs left on Blackout, causing the need to waste alot of players defending giving us no pressure in offence. Horde can barely manage a few rogues in offence and a good druid can solo circuit around the base for hours keeping them at bay, then add some paladins/priests into the mix and you can see the problem.



Getting people to offence is a battle in itself on both sides but Horde are 9 times out of 10 at a major disadvantage about where we can put players. If an Alli 4 man turtle can fend off a 6 man offence then that leaves it 4v6 back at our base and with no proper FC and sometimes no dedicated healers.



Moral of the story is that EU Horde need a better active class spread other than rogues and midfielding hunters - It's not entirely the fault of the Alliance, case closed.
 
Redrum said:
It's FACT that Horde have basically no competent FCs left on Blackout, causing the need to waste alot of players defending giving us no pressure in offence. Horde can barely manage a few rogues in offence and a good druid can solo circuit around the base for hours keeping them at bay, then add some paladins/priests into the mix and you can see the problem.



Getting people to offence is a battle in itself on both sides but Horde are 9 times out of 10 at a major disadvantage about where we can put players. If an Alli 4 man turtle can fend off a 6 man offence then that leaves it 4v6 back at our base and with no proper FC and sometimes no dedicated healers.



Moral of the story is that EU Horde need a better active class spread other than rogues and midfielding hunters - It's not entirely the fault of the Alliance, case closed.
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This proves that you're all talking bullshit, thank you so much :)



You're only seeing this because you're on the other side of the table. If you were playing alliance you'd see the EXACT (yes, exact) same thing.



The last 4 BGs I did last night, was 5 rogues, 3 scrubs and 3 hunters, me on healadin and some random warrior. Does it look like some scenario you know of? It's not just a horde phenomenon, it's widely spread, and I actually thought it was an alliance issue. I see now I was mistaken, it's just an .. issue..
 
Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose. It's a fact that horde lost a good FC with phonebook, but yesterday evening games I played were nearly equal.
 
Gaela said:
Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose. It's a fact that horde lost a good FC with phonebook, but yesterday evening games I played were nearly equal.
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Ofc and there were indeed some decent matches last night, but our situation was as I described above in the matches I played in - It was basically me and Trespasser for our offence and there's no chance 2 rogues can return a flag with a 3 paladin/hunter defence while our shocking defence got hammered and the same idiots doing god-knows-what in midfield.



I'm all up for tough matches but for the most part Horde get severely outclassed. Am not saying this happens EACH AND EVERY match, but it's been immensely more noticable over the last month or so.



Most people will just play and not properly take in what's going on, if the shit hits the fan and their team gets steamrolled or they lose a flag they automatically blame the other side. For the few of us who are actually watching all aspects of the match whether it be numbers on def/off on each team, midfielders, class matchups, player activity etc it's pretty easy to spot where the problems are.



I have been playing some matches on Alliance side purely to see how things roll over there and the only comfort is that you guys have the same "getting people to actually friggin' attack" problem that we have on Hordeside, and alot of time is spent ranting in /bg rather than doing anything constructive.



And don't even get me started on leavers, on both Alli and Horde even when we finally do get a great match that's pretty even you get the same clowns leaving if they arn't totally facerolling the opposition which unbalances the teams and usually causes a chain reaction of other leavers resulting in a game over.



All that said, some of the not-so-dim players are gathering FC sets so I'm hoping over the next month or so Horde will gain a few extra FC options other than the same handful of people who we are relying on atm. You'd think people having extra sets would be second nature by now but pretty much every match the first 5 mins are people ranting at each other about who's FCing and the amount of times you hear "don't have FC set" is amazing tbh. If more people invested in this then it would help greatly :/
 
Sylvictus said:
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Horde turtles as well , not only alliance.
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Thing is, Horde may turtle aswell...



But at least alliance can organise a good offence WHILST turtling...



Horde 80% of the time just get a FC< + a healer and a dps in D.... then 5 people midfielding... then 2 in O... have to yell at them for 15 - 20 mins till they go O... then it's like 2-0 ally anyway.



:( /sadface.



But yet sometimes horde steamroll ally, guess it's just luck of the draw tbh.



Horde need more healers + Dedicated FC's at the end of the day.
 
Pewpewbbq said:
Horde 80% of the time just get a FC< + a healer and a dps in D.... then 5 people midfielding... then 2 in O... have to yell at them for 15 - 20 mins till they go O... then it's like 2-0 ally anyway.
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Hate these kind of games.
 
Pewpewbbq said:
But at least alliance can organise a good offence WHILST turtling...
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That one made me laugh, I despair of being FC rly often, because when I look at the map I got 2-3 ppl in deff, X ppl in midfield and .. oh wait 0-3 in offense? It's rly frustraiting if you get all the useless ppl in one wsg as team mates. Same goes for Horde. Bad luck with the player(/class) arrengement is rly bothersome. The problem is not only the lack of some classes, but the lack of decent players (in pugs). Sometimes pug wsgs look like a zerg-fest and only 4-6 ppl in the whole wsg care for flags. Guess we can't keep them out of wsg ... they will always be there.
 
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