US 101 Vengeance DH Questions.

iETHOSi

iETHOSi

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So, I want to start playing this guy again: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/burning-blade/illidari

I'm wondering what I should do to continue my gearing process. I know obviously getting items I currently have with a higher ilvl is something to do. Here's a list of questions I have:

- Should I buy the cloth BoE's?
- Should I switch my neck/cloak/rings/trinkets for any other varying stat ones?
- Is the Chipped Soul Prism worth farming and what's it's highest base ilvl?
- Is there a certain amount of avoidance I want to aim for?
- Should I switch from versatility to mastery?
 
ShinyHero said:
Nice 770 wep XD
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Thank you, lol. It was honestly complete luck that I ended up getting my 2nd epic relic. I was almost done with questing, about 80% through my last zone and then it hit me that I didn't have my order hall ability active for getting bonus upgrades to quest rewards. I got it from my very last relic reward quest. xD

From now on, I'm getting my twink to 101, enabling the ability and then questing so I get the best chance at relics possible. :D
 
Whelp, your Veng DH and mine are identical atm, at least from an iLvL perspective we're both 819. I Sim'd both of our Toons and even though you have higher iLvL Weapons (higher Damage) and Soul Capacitor (far exceeds my Trinkets in Damage) my DH Parses ~6500 DPS higher.

Alright with that out of the way lets look at what the Sim tells us about our 2 DH's.

YOU: ~225,628 DPS
  • Agi: 16,108 [just fine]
  • Crit: 66% [too high]
  • Haste: 19% [WAY too low]
  • Mast: 24% [just fine]
  • Versa: 35% [could use a tad more]
STAT WEIGHTS: for every 1 Rating your DPS will increase by the value below
  • Haste (18.24)
  • Versa (11.19)
  • Crit (10.95)
  • Mast (10.95)
  • Agi: (10.83)
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ME: ~232,101 DPS
  • Agi: 16,890 [just fine]
  • Crit: 53% [could use a tad more]
  • Haste: 41% [ could use a tad more]
  • Mast: 34% [just fine]
  • Versa: 25% [could use a tad more]
STAT WEIGHTS:
  • Haste (12.91)
  • Versa (12.36)
  • Crit (12.16)
  • Agi (11.06)
  • Mast (11.04)
If you notice, my DH's Stat weights are all very close in value. A perfect balance of Stats should result in all 5 being equal, say if all 5 were 12.03. MY first suggestion would be to dump some of that Crit and toss it into Haste. As for Cloth, I'm still in the no category, but if I found one high enough and WITH a Socket I might have to test it out. Kazzak Trinks goto 740 (750 at 2/2) iirc. Lastly, I try for 1 item with Avoidance, 0-2 pcs with Leech and the rest Speed, with every item having a Socket if I can find them.

Hope that helps.
 
This is from my own opinion. You should formulate your own as well.

- Should I buy the cloth BoE's? No, stick with what you got and improve from there.
- Should I switch my neck/cloak/rings/trinkets for any other varying stat ones? Soul Capacitor is awesome, but I feel like they ninja nerf'd it. I haven't used it in a while.
- Is the Chipped Soul Prism worth farming and what's it's highest base ilvl? never got it so I couldn't say
- Is there a certain amount of avoidance I want to aim for? 600 points of avoidance will get you to cap. My one piece give e 20% which is osft cap.
- Should I switch from versatility to mastery? versatility will increase your survivability through heals, damage, and combat. I think mastery for vengeance just boosts your defensive capabilities.

Delindsey has the sims. So go from there. Good luck man.
 
DeLindsay said:
If you notice, my DH's Stat weights are all very close in value. A perfect balance of Stats should result in all 5 being equal, say if all 5 were 12.03. MY first suggestion would be to dump some of that Crit and toss it into Haste. As for Cloth, I'm still in the no category, but if I found one high enough and WITH a Socket I might have to test it out. Kazzak Trinks goto 740 (750 at 2/2) iirc. Lastly, I try for 1 item with Avoidance, 0-2 pcs with Leech and the rest Speed, with every item having a Socket if I can find them.
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Well then, it's lucky for me that my 850 haste ring hasn't sold yet. I'll put that in place of my critical strike ring. Next order of business; should I switch my neck for the one with haste, the cloak for the one with haste (even though I gain critical strike), switch all enchants and gems to haste or keep as is? Then I assume rolling a 963 haste/385 versatility helm would be ideal.
 
- Should I buy the cloth BoE's?
No, vengeance dh's scales realy good with agility the more the better. If you don't feel like the price is to steep I would get one 200 agi socket for your gear.
- Should I switch my neck/cloak/rings/trinkets for any other varying stat ones?
I would switch the critt ring to a mastery ring but that's because I pref burst over sustained(haste ring? never tried).
- Is the Chipped Soul Prism worth farming and what's it's highest base ilvl?
It is well worth farming it considering the time it takes to solo kaz once / week, It can proc up to 750 base atleast unsure what it's max is.
- Is there a certain amount of avoidance I want to aim for?
Depends on what you want to do but there's a hard cap at 20% avoidance and you don't need it for dungeons atleast.
- Should I switch from versatility to mastery?
Switch one ring ench to mastery from vers and check your spells tooltip to see if it's a dmg increase, I saw a major dmg increase when I went a bit more mastery.

Here's my dh's dps on rokmora if you're interested, when I started out I had like 250k dps on bosses :) http://imgur.com/a/fEHuo
 
thebearcow said:
- Should I buy the cloth BoE's?
No, vengeance dh's scales realy good with agility the more the better. If you don't feel like the price is to steep I would get one 200 agi socket for your gear.
- Should I switch my neck/cloak/rings/trinkets for any other varying stat ones?
I would switch the critt ring to a mastery ring but that's because I pref burst over sustained(haste ring? never tried).
- Is the Chipped Soul Prism worth farming and what's it's highest base ilvl?
It is well worth farming it considering the time it takes to solo kaz once / week, It can proc up to 750 base atleast unsure what it's max is.
- Is there a certain amount of avoidance I want to aim for?
Depends on what you want to do but there's a hard cap at 20% avoidance and you don't need it for dungeons atleast.
- Should I switch from versatility to mastery?
Switch one ring ench to mastery from vers and check your spells tooltip to see if it's a dmg increase, I saw a major dmg increase when I went a bit more mastery.

Here's my dh's dps on rokmora if you're interested, when I started out I had like 250k dps on bosses :) http://imgur.com/a/fEHuo
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Thanks for the added information. :)
 
iETHOSi said:
Should I buy the cloth BoE's?
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As Vengeance there is not a single scenario where Cloth (with inc 2nd stats) will outperform the loss of agility.

iETHOSi said:
Should I switch my neck/cloak/rings/trinkets for any other varying stat ones?
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Yes and No.

The thing with 2nd stats is ... the more you have of one, the weaker it gets in comparison to the others. @DeLindsay already simmed your toon. BUT those stat weights are only for your current gear and dps. As soon as you change your stats, the weights change again and so on. Let's say you go all haste now then it would mean that haste is your weakest stat and you should change again ...

So, what to do? For me it is always quite simple. Max Versatility for best overall performance because of the increased healing and damage reduction. After you have done that, try to keep the RATINGS of the other 3 as close together as possible.

iETHOSi said:
Is the Chipped Soul Prism worth farming and what's it's highest base ilvl?
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Hell yeah. Highest base item level is 745 (755) upgraded imho, never seen anything higher than that.
Was lucky on my mage and got the other trinket:
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iETHOSi said:
Is there a certain amount of avoidance I want to aim for?
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Hard cap is 20% and you can reach that with 1 item alone. Yes, go for it.

iETHOSi said:
Should I switch from versatility to mastery?
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No.
 
MyPerfection said:
As Vengeance there is not a single scenario where Cloth (with inc 2nd stats) will outperform the loss of agility.


Yes and No.

The thing with 2nd stats is ... the more you have of one, the weaker it gets in comparison to the others. @DeLindsay already simmed your toon. BUT those stat weights are only for your current gear and dps. As soon as you change your stats, the weights change again and so on. Let's say you go all haste now then it would mean that haste is your weakest stat and you should change again ...

So, what to do? For me it is always quite simple. Max Versatility for best overall performance because of the increased healing and damage reduction. After you have done that, try to keep the RATINGS of the other 3 as close together as possible.


Hell yeah. Highest base item level is 745 (755) upgraded imho, never seen anything higher than that.
Was lucky on my mage and got the other trinket:
hkRyTEr.png



Hard cap is 20% and you can reach that with 1 item alone. Yes, go for it.


No.
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Very informative information as well, thank you. :)
 
Hiroitchi said:
This is from my own opinion. You should formulate your own as well.

- Should I buy the cloth BoE's? No, stick with what you got and improve from there.
- Should I switch my neck/cloak/rings/trinkets for any other varying stat ones? Soul Capacitor is awesome, but I feel like they ninja nerf'd it. I haven't used it in a while.
- Is the Chipped Soul Prism worth farming and what's it's highest base ilvl? never got it so I couldn't say
- Is there a certain amount of avoidance I want to aim for? 600 points of avoidance will get you to cap. My one piece give e 20% which is osft cap.
- Should I switch from versatility to mastery? versatility will increase your survivability through heals, damage, and combat. I think mastery for vengeance just boosts your defensive capabilities.

Delindsey has the sims. So go from there. Good luck man.
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I did some testing and I benefit from chipped soul more than 840 SFF as far as dps. Idk of this is same for all classes.
 
iETHOSi said:
That just seems so weird considering how often the fan procs and how much damage it does. :eek:
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SFF is best for single target I think.

Though I would still go with SFF over soul prism unless I'm pulling 8+ enemies
 
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