How are we feeling about the 20s bracket in SL so far?
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JadeFire
Worthless
Talasites are the problem, not Crusader. And no warriors would not be worthless with out Talasites, it would just not be comical... but, again that is a perspective view from everybody else that can't stack them or their DPS goes into the toilet.
90% of all BGs are working just fine/run, unfortunately that "price" is the lack of over twink saturation/OP specs.
If we went back to BFA where you ran into the same 5 man team every other BG then you had to listen to the broken record of "LOL duuuurh get moar frendz" on here... it would be just as stupid as it was in BFA... luckily the number of BGs is simply preventing people from abusing that feature.
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Chops
Soccer Dad
"my glass cannon mastery stacked ele shaman is countered by people with enough health to not be one-shot and this is the problem" is a helluva take...
Eleannor
Azeroth's Champion
I agree with your analysis! 20's def feel like a complete bracket with 100% mount and more maps to play (the speed mount is important to how some matches flow).
Farming items is way more interesting: TBC dungeons motivate premades; and 28ilvl BoEs create this mini weapon markets for twinks.
While I much prefer Legion Templates for the pick-up-and-play, Shadowlands gearing nailed the RPG flavor, as to become stronger you have to do a world circuit around all expansions to some extend.
And for the first time, I believe this is a reasonably stable state of things. I don't see how Blizzard could change in a medium time span as they seem to have reached the modular design vision that the game was heading into. Maybe Shadowlands will get into the 20's pool by the next expansion...
Farming items is way more interesting: TBC dungeons motivate premades; and 28ilvl BoEs create this mini weapon markets for twinks.
While I much prefer Legion Templates for the pick-up-and-play, Shadowlands gearing nailed the RPG flavor, as to become stronger you have to do a world circuit around all expansions to some extend.
And for the first time, I believe this is a reasonably stable state of things. I don't see how Blizzard could change in a medium time span as they seem to have reached the modular design vision that the game was heading into. Maybe Shadowlands will get into the 20's pool by the next expansion...
JadeFire
Worthless
True........................................................................ but, +3 stam gems could be the alternative to Talasites which are just clearly something that was overlooked in the nerfs.
Talasites are not going anywhere so this is rather pointless (I also use them), it does just take an inordinate amount of time/firepower to kill somebody with all talasites.
Chops
Soccer Dad
I think one of the really cool things about the current state of the bracket is that talasite stacking makes it not a burst fest, which necessarily increases the value of the weird/hipster/off-meta specs and builds you (and I) enjoy seeing.
JadeFire
Worthless
2) That is just going back to that works for you because of Crusader's though. And then with forum rules I get to whine about how I can do that with Enhamcement because I don't have "Agil-sader"... I have to NUKE my dps into the ground and then rely on comparable garbage like EF or DS.
If you had to use Massacre and stack talasites it would be less of a personal issue.
I'll just whine about it regardless.
2) Again, tho you don't see that many twinks being stacked up against other because of so many BGs... if that goes away and you start seeing 5-10 MM hunters per game ANYWAY... talasites are not going to matter at all, it will just be an e-peen shit show like BFA.
JadeFire
Worthless
I don't think it is at all. If my Enhancement had a melee Agility proc that was up 90% of the time for +100 I would have like 5000 hp and just lumber around stormstrikeing heads into chests.
Chops
Soccer Dad
This may shock you to learn but my point here has nothing to do with warriors or crusader.
Rather its that as the ratio of health to dmg output increases, the viability and desirability of CC also increases. You claim to want to see more offmeta specs and classes, but also argue for diminishing health pools. Which is a great way to end up with a bunch of hunters because lol1shot. But if a hunter cant lol1shot and instead ends up having to contend with grip and chains and spam string and hammer and leg sweep etc etc etc then only those people who truly enjoy hunter will play it, rather than folks looking for giggle kills.
Asylum
for the Insane
you are all not prepared.
JadeFire
Worthless
I did not deny any of that.
1) I did state that it is not really an issue because it is rare to see more than 4 twinks in a BG now anyways.
2) If you do see a premade, you don't see them repeatedly like in BFA... they just go away to e-peen another random pug.
3) My main point is that for specs that DON'T have Crusader... sure I can stack talasites on my Enhancement... the DPS tho is TRASH. Elemental force/alternatives like Weapon damage or AP is not Crusader even in the slightest most galactical stretch of the imagination.
4) I've been hit by Feral/DH/Rogue that stacked HP... it's pretty bad DPS. It's not a complete joke, but they are counter acted pretty well.
In order to do the same DPS as an Arms warrior (on a fair average) I can get to about 2200 HP before I just start to do "wet noodle" damage... you can roll in with 3K+ HP and Crusader still rocks people.
Again, just pointing things out.
Phonebook
6168
SL 20s feels like how BFA 49s were back when the xp brackets were merged back together for a couple months. there's just no broken rammstein trinkets or duel wield warrior army lol..
the overall gearing now that things have finially settled down is pretty nice, although it can be super rng if you go for socket boe's. but it's cool in a way and has a prestigious? feel to it once you've gotten a full set with max roll on everything.
quality / competitive wise it's just a casuals play ground for the next while still, its very rare you get even games currently. atleast on EU a lot of the people who rolled 20s with pre-patch are now playing end game or gone back to classic.
overall im really liking 20s, but im also just a casual pleb nowadays. if you just want to derp around in random bgs and not have to worry about re-gearing every couple months this is the bracket for you.
the overall gearing now that things have finially settled down is pretty nice, although it can be super rng if you go for socket boe's. but it's cool in a way and has a prestigious? feel to it once you've gotten a full set with max roll on everything.
quality / competitive wise it's just a casuals play ground for the next while still, its very rare you get even games currently. atleast on EU a lot of the people who rolled 20s with pre-patch are now playing end game or gone back to classic.
overall im really liking 20s, but im also just a casual pleb nowadays. if you just want to derp around in random bgs and not have to worry about re-gearing every couple months this is the bracket for you.
toskosa
Veteran
is crusader really up 90% of the time though? I feel like its not
Idk what this means I am old.
Asylum
for the Insane
i've been healed by bandages... it's pretty bad healing...
not old enough, it would seem...
Chops
Soccer Dad
Thus increasing the value of Not DPS skills and the classes that have an abundance of them...
Its wild to think that, in an RPG, there might be a variety of classes and specialties like CC classes and bruisers and assassins and mages and healers and support instead of just healer and doubletapdps.
Which I thought is what you wanted?
Asylum
for the Insane
just to revisit this point, though:
-bad ferals are bad
-DH is not actually a DPS class in our bracket
-neither is rogue
JadeFire
Worthless
It just sounds to me that you have a HUGE fear or fully tricked out i49 hunters just roaming the killing fields. I've seen a handful over the coarse of plenty of games now. Most are have some i34s and do just above average DPS.
And if my CCs are gone or I get silenced its not like I'm just going to turn around and put 4 Lava Bursts into your head point blank... I'll probably die or have to be saved... but, you could do that with out mega HP.
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