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Skraldemand said:
Try to use simulationcraft or wowanalyzer and you'll see the statweights.



You dont even do close to 100% more damage with Crusader up xD
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I didn't say they were accurate numbers I was just showing the difference between additive + percentage scaling vs additive + additive, that's all... I don't know the actual numbers right now, and then of course there's also armor to take in account for. Regardless, you gain a lot with versa. Proccing two crusaders pretty much doubles your strength though
 
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I didn't say they were accurate numbers I was just showing the difference between additive + percentage scaling vs additive + additive, that's all... I don't know the actual numbers right now, and then of course there's also armor to take in account for. Regardless, you gain a lot with versa. Proccing two crusaders pretty much doubles your strength though
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I know and i dont disagree either. However the same story goes with haste and crit :)
 
Skraldemand said:
I know and i dont disagree either. However the same story goes with haste and crit :)
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Yeah but crit isn't as fancy at 150%, though it's still nice and makes a difference, haste is nice as well but actually kinda unnecessary once you get rolling, because of beeing able to spam victory rush -> rampage -> execute & repeat, usually once you have dual crusaders rolling its enough for me to just VR and Rampage. Haste is extra nice for getting your cooldowns back too, but those two are not cooldown based really, and with war machine you don't need the haste for rage at least. What i have found vs twinks, specially vs healers is that burst is most important, and with a compromise for more haste instead of versa you have less burst.
 
The main problem with ARMS in the 29s is that the rotation is bad. You have huge gaps of time where everything is on cool down and you are just praying for Auto-Attack Crits as you stumble around the battle field.

As good as the ability is SUDDEN DEATH's proc rate is just not great either.

You almost have to prioritize Haste with Arms so you get SUDDEN DEATH procs as well, and it just fucks up any build.

29 ARMS is basically just a bad version of a RET PALADIN.

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If you want burst damage on a FURY then don't go Versatility (I think there is some confusion). As I stated at the beginning... 31%+ versatility is a pubstomp build, that I made for fun.

You want to stack STRENGTH and CRIT if you are going to try to take down geared priests in a real game. 30% damage reduction/damage increase is not going to help you if the other team is geared and you just get trucked by glass cannon damage.

If you are just waiting in the back with 200 strength and 35% crit and you just charge in you can probably just decimate any priest... that will actually be useful in a real game.
 
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Skraldemand said:
Try to use simulationcraft or wowanalyzer and you'll see the statweights.
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I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that low levels should use SimC, but just for any new players reading this thread I'll reiterate: Do NOT use SimC for non-max level players!!! There's long lists of bug reports related to using non-max level toons in SimC and the lead dev has been very open about not having enough time / interest in making SimC compatible with twinks.

I'm sure Wowanalyzer has the same lack of support for twinks.

All results will be hugely suspect.
 
Roadwarrior said:
The main problem with ARMS in the 29s is that the rotation is bad. You have huge gaps of time where everything is on cool down and you are just praying for Auto-Attack Crits as you stumble around the battle field.

As good as the ability is SUDDEN DEATH's proc rate is just not great either.

You almost have to prioritize Haste with Arms so you get SUDDEN DEATH procs as well, and it just fucks up any build.

29 ARMS is basically just a bad version of a RET PALADIN.

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If you want burst damage on a FURY then don't go Versatility (I think there is some confusion). As I stated at the beginning... 31%+ versatility is a pubstomp build, that I made for fun.

You want to stack STRENGTH and CRIT if you are going to try to take down geared priests in a real game. 30% damage reduction/damage increase is not going to help you if the other team is geared and you just get trucked by glass cannon damage.

If you are just waiting in the back with 200 strength and 35% crit and you just charge in you can probably just decimate any priest... that will actually be useful in a real game.
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I main arms warrior and i feel it even more solid than fury, in fury you can get some gaps with bloodthirst or raging blow in cd.
I dont know why so many people are just playing fury as with arms i almost beat any fury warrior in dps unless he is spaming saltwater , speedpots on cd.

Also arms has strong aoe with sweeping strikes which has low cooldown so is almost always up, and x2 overpower + crusader proc makes mortal strike hit for 1k.

All 3 talents of arms work in certain situations, war machine vs a leveler team, skullsplitter really makes arms pressure to keep up as rage is always up, and sudden death has problems as it has low proc but a huge mortal with sudden death might just 2 shot someone.

My warrior is Trodénto-ragnaros (horde) Trodënto quel' thalas (alliance)
 
Dimitri said:
I main arms warrior and i feel it even more solid than fury, in fury you can get some gaps with bloodthirst or raging blow in cd.
I dont know why so many people are just playing fury as with arms i almost beat any fury warrior in dps unless he is spaming saltwater , speedpots on cd.

Also arms has strong aoe with sweeping strikes which has low cooldown so is almost always up, and x2 overpower + crusader proc makes mortal strike hit for 1k.

All 3 talents of arms work in certain situations, war machine vs a leveler team, skullsplitter really makes arms pressure to keep up as rage is always up, and sudden death has problems as it has low proc but a huge mortal with sudden death might just 2 shot someone.

My warrior is Trodénto-ragnaros (horde) Trodënto quel' thalas (alliance)
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Mejor conocido como el war que queda en 2nd lugar.
 
29 warrior gear seems straightforward.

You have Combatant Claymore with Quickblade vers/crit gear (where Heirlooms are not better) (or vers/haste if you want but I would never do that because I want to see crits) and you enchant stats and strength on your gear. It is not like you are going to enchant versatility to your chest and bracers instead of stats. Maybe you use an Electrocution's Lagnut.

The choice as I see it is if you want to situationally equip some more stamina gear like pieces for legs, gloves, shoulders and cloak. For some they may often want to.

If you want burst damage on a FURY then don't go Versatility (I think there is some confusion). As I stated at the beginning... 31%+ versatility is a pubstomp build, that I made for fun.

You want to stack STRENGTH and CRIT
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This is the part that throws me off. Those two parts are not exclusive. Saying don't go versatility go strength and crit... the secondary stats have both vers and crit so you get vers and crit from the gear and strength from the enchants. 1:1 strength is def better than vers so you would never enchant vers.
 
Taofight said:
29 warrior gear seems straightforward.

You have Combatant Claymore with Quickblade vers/crit gear (where Heirlooms are not better) (or vers/haste if you want but I would never do that because I want to see crits) and you enchant stats and strength on your gear. It is not like you are going to enchant versatility to your chest and bracers instead of stats. Maybe you use an Electrocution's Lagnut.

The choice as I see it is if you want to situationally equip some more stamina gear like pieces for legs, gloves, shoulders and cloak. For some they may often want to.



This is the part that throws me off. Those two parts are not exclusive. Saying don't go versatility go strength and crit... the secondary stats have both vers and crit so you get vers and crit from the gear and strength from the enchants. 1:1 strength is def better than vers so you would never enchant vers.
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The problem with the versatility gear (the actual good stuff, not "of the quickblade" trash) is that its all pure versatility and stamina... all, the good arms master pendant, the hound master chest piece, etc. If you want 30+ you will have 1% haste and like 3% crit. You just cant do anything about it.

10% versatility is just a dumb option. If you happen to have it great, but unless you are going all out, there is no point, because strength and crit and haste will always = more burst dps. "Fireflash" is the best option if you are not just going pure versatility.

You will not notice 10% versatility in any BG that you play in, you wont miss it if you remove it, any arcane mage will still blow your balls off... 33% is a different story tho, because you just don't die. So IMO you could have just stacked more crit and strength instead of Versatility.

The current 29s are best hit head on with non Hybrid Builds. You are either set up to smash face (280+ intelligence caster builds, pure agility rogue builds, or just face buster Fury Warrior builds - and as I have said about 100 times now the only reason pure versatility is even good on fury is that you have CRUSADER procs... that's it).

I honestly think using the Combatants Claymore when you are not trying for 30% versatility is just flat out stupid. You are just giving up a superior weapon with better possible dps (heirloom with its super high crit, etc.) for a weapon that is only good if you go all out on the stat it provides.

Hybrid builds are just average and most of them are just trash and actually come from people just being lazy and not really farming the right gear/knowing what they are really saying.

"Hey I have on engineering goggles and some crap that came out of a BG crate! I'm BIS"... no you are not.
 
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Roadwarrior said:
The problem with the versatility gear (the actual good stuff, not "of the quickblade" trash) is that its all pure versatility and stamina... all, the good arms master pendant, the hound master chest piece, etc. If you want 30+ you will have 1% haste and like 3% crit. You just cant do anything about it.

10% versatility is just a dumb option. If you happen to have it great, but unless you are going all out, there is no point, because strength and crit and haste will always = more burst dps. "Fireflash" is the best option if you are not just going pure versatility.

You will not notice 10% versatility in any BG that you play in, you wont miss it if you remove it, any arcane mage will still blow your balls off... 33% is a different story tho, because you just don't die. So IMO you could have just stacked more crit and strength instead of Versatility.

The current 29s are best hit head on with non Hybrid Builds. You are either set up to smash face (280+ intelligence caster builds, pure agility rogue builds, or just face buster Fury Warrior builds - and as I have said about 100 times now the only reason pure versatility is even good on fury is that you have CRUSADER procs... that's it).

I honestly think using the Combatants Claymore when you are not trying for 30% versatility is just flat out stupid. You are just giving up a superior weapon with better possible dps (heirloom with its super high crit, etc.) for a weapon that is only good if you go all out on the stat it provides.

Hybrid builds are just average and most of them are just trash and actually come from people just being lazy and not really farming the right gear/knowing what they are really saying.

"Hey I have on engineering goggles and some crap that came out of a BG crate! I'm BIS"... no you are not.
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I've been playing all evening and with 20% versatility i feel like i hit a sweet spot, i never had a reason to go higher than that because it does gimp other stats, like some crit, and some haste, it has worked exceptionally well, and that versatility, it really does help, because if it keeps you alive for that split second, or seconds longer to get that crusader heal procc or enough to rampage or VR so you heal up, it's all worth it. Oh yeah and the heals are strong too so, thats helpful
 
Fun thread.

Hybrid / maxing your desired stats overall is obviously the best, duh. You are trash. Read the replies. Nobody thinks your gear thoughts make any sense.

Skraldemand said:
I really dont think picking the strongest and best gear for warriors is as hard as people makes it out to be. Just be logical; you dont sacrifice 1 haste and 1 crit for 1 versa. Of course str is your mainstat and your priority, but once again you dont pick the gear with the most str if it means u lose half your hp.
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^ This sums it up nicely to me. I imagine just about everyone except you feels this way.

Take just one piece of gear at a time. Combatant Claymore has more Strength, DPS, and secondary stats than Bloodied Arcanite Reaper. If you don't understand that... which you don't because you just said BAR is way better because 11 crit is way better than 14 vers in your mind.

Curious to hear your nonsensical reply.

Respectfully,

[Respectfully meaning I am open to being wrong].
 
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Taofight said:
Fun thread.

Hybrid / maxing your desired stats overall is obviously the best, duh. You are trash. Read the replies. Nobody thinks your gear thoughts make any sense.



^ This sums it up nicely to me. I imagine just about everyone except you feels this way.

Take just one piece of gear at a time. Combatant Claymore has more Strength, DPS, and secondary stats than Bloodied Arcanite Reaper. If you don't understand that... which you don't because you just said BAR is way better because 11 crit is way better than 14 vers in your mind.

Curious to hear your nonsensical reply.

Respectfully,

[Respectfully meaning I am open to being wrong].
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Can we not be cliché gAm3rBro toxic? This community is way too small and insignificant to afford this level of kid shit.
 
Again... for Fury...

You either have pocket heals or you don't in a BG OR the enemy team is just terrible, if you have them you can run around with any kind of Hyrbrid/Goofy build and be fine.

If you don't know who is going to be doing what in a BG (aka you solo que), Versatility is always going to be the best choice because you are prepared for anything and you will be good at anything (not great, just solid good).

If I know I'm going to have a dedicated healer or a good healer, I prefer to just go all Crit/Strength like 40% or just all Haste/Strength at 30% because its much more fun to me... HUGE NUMBERS! or SUPER FAST COOL DOWNS! are always fun and you can just top dps / top killing blows with those builds.

But, all glass cannon builds come at a price... the price of just having your face blown off by any Arcane Mage who can press 1 button.
 
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“Super fast cool downs”

Reduction by haste by a few tenths of a second. Ok. :/

Your latency / ping is more than you can reduce by haste at these levels, but whatevs. Placebos are powerful.
 
1 strength = 2.5 vers. Unless you can prove me wrong, a balanced build is better. You take vers when you can but you don't give up more strength for less vers than its worth
 
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