someone confirmed speed potter

srs bsns said:
Use of speed pot is an automatic DQ, at least in my mind. It's part of the reason why I came here from the 20s bracket: to escape that noise. It was under the impression that 19s was a competitive bracket, where such things were frowned upon.

When I see speedpotting rogues, it breaks my heart a little, that they would feel like they need to supplement their gameplay with "enhancements". I just thought it would be different, I guess.
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You do realize that every class has a gap closer besides rogues and priests right?

Not to mention, rogues JUST lost their movement speed increases... no sprint or shadowstep... meaning every class can outrun us with ease.

Rogues should all be potting given that we are tied with priest for the worst movement in the bracket... I'd say Priests have better movement thanks to the survivability of their mini vanish.


Just my 2c.


Anyone can buy speed pots for like 3g each on the AH.
 
srs bsns said:
"Wow, did you see that rogue use that speedpot to catch that FC, that he otherwise would have had to have better positioning to do so!"
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given you are the perfect positiong, and following happens: *open* - *druid displacer beasts* OR *travel form and gone* gg

We don't have gouge anymore, we don't have sprint anymore, and we don't have shadowstep. Blizzard really dosn't care for the low lvl bracket I highly doubt they put any effort into the skills you gain at given lvl, as long as they are all acquired along the lvling phase.
 
Eriwen said:
Well we wouldn't have to if kids didn't cry out,

conclusion: use enhancements in pugs as you like, we have twink cup, skirmish and generally just guild challenges where these things aren't allowed, which everyone hopefully understands
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/thread please
 
mythical said:
I didnt think people still complained about this.
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I'm surprised too. I was under the impression that the consensus that speedpotting was heavily frowned upon, and the users shunned/laughed at.

I understand how rogues feel, I play a priest, and wish I had feather all the time, but I don't, and I work with it. I'm just arguing my position to try to keep this bracket from turning into 29s: we have the power to turn the bracket into what we want it to be. For instance, I see a whole lot less ferals in pugs since they were banned from the cup. Ultimately, the players will decide what praised and respected, and what is discouraged and unsporting.
 
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Darkflight:
Unlimted Charges
Usable by one faction
Usable by some classes
Usable while carrying the flag
Usable in RBGs / Arenas / PUGs

Swiftness Potion:
As many charges as you can carry
Usable by all factions
Usable by all classes
Usable while carrying the flag
Cheap (only a few gold from AH)
Only usable in PUGs


Darkflight is much more of a broken crutch imo than speedpotting


Now since resto druid FC is top FC by far, only ally FCs get an extra sprint that is useable in rbg and pug conditions as well. Tauren druids do get warstomp, however, if you're in range of someone to use it in a premade, you're dead regardless. Worgen can use their sprint to easily grab flags long before anyone else on the opposing faction can. Most games are won before stacks compromise darkflight anyways... and movement is extremely superior in my opinion in today's high speed bursty combat situations.


PUGs: Warstomp can be nice on occasion. Dark flight is basically used on CD by anyone who can use it.
Wargames / Premades: Warstomp as a FC is rarely used as if you're being attacked, you're done. Darkflight is basically used on CD by anyone who can use it.
Arena: Warstomp can be nice if you can land one. Dark flight is basically used on CD by anyone who can use it.



Just my 3c
 
srs bsns said:
I'm surprised too. I was under the impression that the consensus that speedpotting was heavily frowned upon, and the users shunned/laughed at.

I understand how rogues feel, I play a priest, and wish I had feather all the time, but I don't, and I work with it. I'm just arguing my position to try to keep this bracket from turning into 29s.
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dude a couple people speed potting isnt going to drive this bracket into ruin lmfao. people are entitled to laugh/scoff at speed pot use but at the end of the day its a pug and hardly anybody does it in the grand scheme of things. I think they are a fucking blast to use and they're cheap, so I use them every now and then. big deal. there are rules set in place for legitimate premades that forbid their use. as for pugs, to each his own. its not a big deal. at all.
 
obviously no one understood this thread was a complete joke to make fun of 19 drama... no one should ever take me seriously


i hate watching people argue please close thread
 
Drugs said:
dude a couple people speed potting isnt going to drive this bracket into ruin lmfao. people are entitled to laugh/scoff at speed pot use but at the end of the day its a pug and hardly anybody does it in the grand scheme of things. I think they are a fucking blast to use and they're cheap, so I use them every now and then. big deal. there are rules set in place for legitimate premades that forbid their use. as for pugs, to each his own. its not a big deal. at all.
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I'm not saying that they can't be used in pugs; I can't enforce that. I'm just suggesting that the bracket leadership not encourage them. I'm worried people new too the bracket will read something on the forums, and think that it's okay to blow them on CD. I just think that pugs are more fun without consumables, and am trying to sway anyone who's reading to understand why I think that way.

Also, speed pots are 25g each on BH. A lot of people struggle just to come up with money to enchant their new toons, and while 25g isn't much for established players, new players aren't going to be able to afford to buy them en masse. So, it not really an equal access item.
 
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marblea said:
obviously no one understood this thread was a complete joke to make fun of 19 drama... no one should ever take me seriously


i hate watching people argue please close thread
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I don't really see this as an argument. No one's calling names or disrespecting each other. We are discussing our respective visions of what we want our bracket to be, and mine just doesn't include speed pots and other consumables.
 
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marblea said:
obviously no one understood this thread was a complete joke to make fun of 19 drama... no one should ever take me seriously


i hate watching people argue please close thread
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Do you legit want it closed?


Also @posters marb PMd me when he created this thread saying how he doesn't really care about speedpotters and he wanted to lighten TI with some humor / discussion.
 
Mocha said:
Do you legit want it closed?


Also @posters marb PMd me when he created this thread saying how he doesn't really care about speedpotters and he wanted to lighten TI with some humor / discussion.
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I think it's achieved a purpose, but I'm not sure it's the one he wanted. If he was just wanting for people to be funny, and troll each other a little, then maybe not because we kept it pretty civil. Maybe it's better because sometimes when I make jokes, I can be pretty cruel. I think thread just didn't turn out the way he through it would. But now I'm getting to analytical...

Anyways, I don't consider this type of discussion to be negative at all. Let people present their best arguments, and players can decide what to do. We've got a lot of new people coming into the bracket right now, and I think it's important that they know what some of the idiosyncrasies of the bracket are. Love them or hate them, people should be prepared for how players are going to react, to things like consumables, in a new environment.

I've played the part of forum warrior enough today, so I don't really mind if you close it now. I feel like I've more or less made my point that I feel really strongly that consumables are not the way to go for pugs. But I got a couple more things to consider:

Sure, consumables aren't allowed in premades, but 10 vs 10 premades can't really happen with the new queues, and when we try to wargame, people whine that it's killing pops. That puts us back at pugging, unless we want to leave horde out.

Also, imagine if by some miracle, blizzard managed to balance the classes at 19, but everyone was used to using consumables to make up the perceived shortcomings of their class. There would be no going back, people would be too accustomed to playing with them.

I think the culture of relative lack of consumable is one of the things that sets this bracket apart, and makes it more competitive than others. I just don't want this community to devolve into a 29s mentality.
 
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OMG I missed all this! One my favorite subjects!! And so many people all of a sudden agree with my point of view.
Whoowuddathunkit?
@ srs for the Druid FC that caught by the speed potting "crutching" non-worgen goblin out of position rogue. That druid FC has the option of speed potting and changing into two different swift forms and has a talent. That druid has zero excuses for getting caught by a single speed potting "crutching" non-worgen goblin out of position rogue.

I use consumables each and every chance I can. Be it food, oils, stones, elixirs, bandages, scrolls, enchants whatever... If you are not ,you are gimping your team. When I am healing and I have 3 DPS on me, sure I am going to try and get away. Either that, or drag them to my teammates. If it takes me speed potting to do it, then I am going to do it. If you don't have a speed pot to catch me, shame on you. If you catch me, thumbs up!
Have a safe Memorial Day! Remember our fallen ones.

/cheers
 
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