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Rosimegue @ Draenor - Community - World of Warcraft

Not BiS yet but whatever. Obvious changes are gnomeregan wrists, another ring, and a gloomshroud + bvb (not planning on getting a bvb, we'll see about gloom in the future).

Eyepatch aint bis agi but it's a trade off of 1agi and some haste for crit. Don't want to end up with too low crit %.

Was thinking what'd be the best setup for rings, 2x +10 agi ring (what I got now), or possibly 10 agi and ring of precision? Basically 2 agi vs 4 crit. Thoughts?

Anyone tried how EF and landslide compare in pure dps in the long run?
 
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Mesikämmen said:
Rosimegue @ Draenor - Community - World of Warcraft

Not BiS yet but whatever. Obvious changes are gnomeregan wrists, another ring, and a gloomshroud + bvb (not planning on getting a bvb, we'll see about gloom in the future).

Eyepatch aint bis agi but it's a trade off of 1agi and some haste for crit. Don't want to end up with too low crit %.

Was thinking what'd be the best setup for rings, 2x +10 agi ring (what I got now), or possibly 10 agi and ring of precision? Basically 2 agi vs 4 crit. Thoughts?
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I think the general rule for rogues 1 agi > 4 crit, so 2x agi ring would probably be better. If I were you I would use a fast weapon on off hand (like WsG dagger) since it is 1.7 speed it will proc poisons much more often. Also landslide MH ele force OH seems to work much better imo since OH almost never procs landslide. If you are willing to faction change, ashen's gloves are 9 agi 6 crit 6 stam which would probably be worth using. I would personally prefer Not-Scratchy Helm - Item - World of Warcraft (13 agi) but thats personal preference
 
Yapah said:
I think the general rule for rogues 1 agi > 4 crit, so 2x agi ring would probably be better. If I were you I would use a fast weapon on off hand (like WsG dagger) since it is 1.7 speed it will proc poisons much more often. Also landslide MH ele force OH seems to work much better imo since OH almost never procs landslide. If you are willing to faction change, ashen's gloves are 9 agi 6 crit 6 stam which would probably be worth using. I would personally prefer Not-Scratchy Helm - Item - World of Warcraft (13 agi) but thats personal preference
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Yeah, gonna go with the agi rings then. I'd use wsg ring but prefer 2x sword mog, and when 2x melee crits lands at the same time as sinister/ambush/evis, makes up for some hefty burst. However, went more for the statstick/looks route with offhand wep.

I'll either stay 2x landslide or 2x ef, maybe it's just me but I don't see any point in mixing the two. Probably just in my head, but I'd either take constant damage or huge burst, not a lame mix of both xd

Gonna pick up ashen gloves if I can bother faction again some time (was lvl 20 last time so couldn't get gloves). Gonna get the helm later, not sure yet if I'll be using it though.
 
If you're going with 2x swords, I am assuming you dont have 2nd shadowfang so Thief's Blade - Item - World of Warcraft is almost as good, its 7 agi all it is lacking is the 30 damage proc :p

I was rocking 2x landslide before and you only get double proc maybe once every 5 or 10 minutes of nonstop fighting. Also landslide can proc on ambush from main hand for a really big ambush (I did almost 2k on 19 rogue with landslide proc on MH) but off hand doesn't proc on ambush. I found that 2x ele or 1x landslide 1x ele works best but you can do some testing yourself too :)
 
I have some questions as well, is parachute cloak BiS? Does FotL and Stock boots scale the same? Is SF + BvB BiS? And what about ToV?
 
I use para cloak as i have gfd +12 agi & speed dsnt stack to 120% anymore so idm having 110% speed
FotL, stock boots are the same yes.
sf+bvb bis, ive heard ppl using ToV for ambush but i havent bothered, not like i need it to kill :p
 
Ohyiz said:
I use para cloak as i have gfd +12 agi & speed dsnt stack to 120% anymore so idm having 110% speed
FotL, stock boots are the same yes.
sf+bvb bis, ive heard ppl using ToV for ambush but i havent bothered, not like i need it to kill :p
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So if you don't have gf'd cloak enchant, you would use BoA with versa ench?
 
Fuzzie said:
Chute with gfd chant is bis glass cannon. Yes. Yes. No
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Why not ToV? Can anyone show me the math? :3
Ohyiz said:
I use para cloak as i have gfd +12 agi & speed dsnt stack to 120% anymore so idm having 110% speed
FotL, stock boots are the same yes.
sf+bvb bis, ive heard ppl using ToV for ambush but i havent bothered, not like i need it to kill :p
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Would you then use minor speed for + versa enchant on lizard scale for 120% or agi?
 
Snack said:
The differece between lizard scale and chute is 3 stam, and of course the one ude effect, when scaled?
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yeah

Would probably go with minor speed (+ cloak chant) btw yes, higher movement speed on a rogue is nice in a bracket full off hunters/druids.
 
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yeah

Would probably go with minor speed (+ cloak chant) btw yes, higher movement speed on a rogue is nice in a bracket full off hunters/druids.
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But you do have Sprint at lvl 29 right?

Also does anyone know why ToV is considered good for ambush? Slow wep speed or what?
 
Snack said:
But you do have Sprint at lvl 29 right?

Also does anyone know why ToV is considered good for ambush? Slow wep speed or what?
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Yeah you do, but it's 1min cooldown :/ plenty of time in between cds to get kited around the world. Not saying that you couldn't do well with just 110%, but for you it's basically a tradeoff of 3agi for +10% movement speed so I'd definitely take it :p

Unfortunately I got no idea why ToV would be so amazing. It has decent stats so maybe that's why people like it(6 agi 2 crit IIRC, might be a bit off). The slow swing speed is probably also why some people think it's super good for ambush, but I'm pretty sure that weapon speed doesn't really affect sinister/ambush/etc anymore due to weapon normalization. Been a long time since I read about that shit so might be wrong, but if you're interested: http://www.wowwiki.com/Normalization
 
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Yeah you do, but it's 1min cooldown :/ plenty of time in between cds to get kited around the world. Not saying that you couldn't do well with just 110%, but for you it's basically a tradeoff of 3agi for +10% movement speed so I'd definitely take it :p

Unfortunately I got no idea why ToV would be so amazing. It has decent stats so maybe that's why people like it(6 agi 2 crit IIRC, might be a bit off). The slow swing speed is probably also why some people think it's super good for ambush, but I'm pretty sure that weapon speed doesn't really affect sinister/ambush/etc anymore due to weapon normalization. Been a long time since I read about that shit so might be wrong, but if you're interested: Normalization - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
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Ah thank you, I guess that is why people would open with ToV than switch to BvB/SF :) anyway just got 2x ToV for 300g each do I'll test it :)
 
Snack said:
Ah thank you, I guess that is why people would open with ToV than switch to BvB/SF :) anyway just got 2x ToV for 300g each do I'll test it :)
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Gotta remember, though, that switching weapons triggers a gcd and resets your autoattack swing timer.
 
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