I know alot of you are waiting for scaling.

Shaket · Oct 23, 2014

Roboartist said:
Most, if not, nearly all of the 29s were former 24 twinks. Gf twinks like yourself are a rarity.

I didn't know that many 24s had Deadman's Hand.

Tom Ganks · Oct 23, 2014

Shaket said:
I didn't know that many 24s had Deadman's Hand.

Idk who you're meeting or be friending, but about 90+% of 29s I see are newly made.

Shaket · Oct 23, 2014

Roboartist said:
And we aren't complaining about bgs. Your starting a non existent dispute. We only dislike the long queues, as opposed to anyone in the bracket.

We were complaining about the lack of level scaling, and the fact blizzard introduced us skirmishes without their utmost popular scaling feature in bgs.
You're only seeing it through your pov, but as a 20, you miss nearly every attack you use and have half the stats and health pool of a 29. This is an issue in nearly every bracket ATM, not just 20-29.

I was replying to the post which asked "why can't 29s just que gilneas", it's quoted in my post.

If you wish to take up "starting disputes", speak to Neon and his demands that everybody else change to accommodate him(f2ps).

Also, polar bear beats all.

The Saint · Oct 23, 2014

[MENTION=16230]Neon[/MENTION], do you think for a second it's fun even as a p2p (at any level) to face droves of FotMers and premades? That's the reason I personally stay p2p. You forget that the majority of this bracket are not from TI, and don't give a fuck how they win as long as they win.

Regarding Skirms: I queue every night (EU on a 20 wlock) and meet lots of F2Ps. Problem is they're all rets and ferals, I get so annoyed I log a 24 or watch TV.

Shaket · Oct 23, 2014

Roboartist said:
Idk who you're meeting or be friending, but about 90+% of 29s I see are newly made.

that's not what I'm seeing when I /inspect, but then again, I'm not playing all day every day, so maybe the gf'd 29s are all waiting for me to log on

also, 99% of "internet statistics" are complete bullshit

The Saint · Oct 23, 2014

Can I ask why you don't just leave the skirm when you see a 29? I do. Get in combat before you leave and you don't get deserter.

Tom Ganks · Oct 23, 2014

The Saint said:
Can I ask why you don't just leave the skirm when you see a 29? I do. Get in combat before you leave and you don't get deserter.

I leave sometimes, I just keep re-queuing trying to find a 20 vs 20 (maybe 24) match

Tom Ganks · Oct 23, 2014

Shaket said:
that's not what I'm seeing when I /inspect, but then again, I'm not playing all day every day, so maybe the gf'd 29s are all waiting for me to log on

also, 99% of "internet statistics" are complete bullshit

They're my statistics, from what I see. I'm not arguing with you or doubting you, I'm just saying this through my pov. So consider my earlier statement, you're a rarity, that's what I see. So no need to bend things.

Rollop · Oct 23, 2014

Roboartist said:
Idk who you're meeting or be friending, but about 90+% of 29s I see are newly made.

Shh, the new 29 rerolls have been there all along since the brackets conception. Never mind that the original 29 bracket has been dead since last year, and never mind that the people arguing with you are 24 rerolls.

Hyena

VS

Mountain Lion

How and Why

The Saint · Oct 23, 2014

Rollop said:
Shh, the new 29 rerolls have been there all along since the brackets conception. Never mind that the original 29 bracket has been dead since last year, and never mind that the people arguing with you are 24 rerolls.

Hyena

VS

Mountain Lion

How and Why

You know, since 29s have been around it's learnt me one thing... How some of you are so petty. They rape my 24s too, do you know how many fucks I give? None. Not a single one!

You know Why? Because I chose to stay 24. I know it would have been a better, closer game (For both of us) If they stayed 24, or I went 29, but do you see me crying?

Buy a sub, quit, or live with it.

Rollop · Oct 23, 2014

The Saint said:
You know, since 29s have been around it's learnt me one thing... How some of you are so petty. They rape my 24s too, do you know how many fucks I give? None. Not a single one!

You know Why? Because I chose to stay 24. I know it would have been a better, closer game (For both of us) If they stayed 24, or I went 29, but do you see me crying?

Buy a sub, quit, or live with it.

Nobody gives a shit about the 2 29s that stuck it out and didnt reroll 24 only to reroll back to 29. I mean, props really. I'd be willing to bet every f2p twink thinks the same. As for you staying 24 because of some misguided attempt to bring balance to the bracket? Lol? Did we have a change of heart here? Are you looking for sympathy? You're in the wrong forum for that bud. All that aside, I'm happy with the current iteration of trial pvp. It's about as close to fair as we've gotten. The only players im making fun of are the rerolls pretending they've been a 29 since that brackets conception.

Bloodinhoo · Oct 23, 2014

Shaket said:
We do, we have, but I don't really think it's right that the people who actually PAY FOR THE GAME should be restricted to one bg, whilst the freebies, who pay nothing to keep this game going, get 4 bgs, just because the freebies refuse to adapt.

I don't get your point. You're complaining that we play on your bracket? That's it?

I mean...those 29 gf's legends you so admire...how many games did they play this year? You guys finally have a opportunity of play rising again and you're against it? Why?

Because some "people who don't pay for the game and refuse to adapt" as you say, are calling you cheap?

If you, as you said, don't see them as equals, why are you giving so much thought about what they think of you?
Go play arenas, or make a 10x10 wargame with only 29s. It's not like you don't have that possibility.

No, what you want is that WE acknowledge YOU as the true owner of the bracket, correct?
Yeah, not gonna happen. We all loan accounts from blizz. We own nothing.
F2P, or P2P.

Wizkidone · Oct 23, 2014

I q skirm all the time! If you really want to maximize your up time vs 20's q'ing at the right time really helps. If you keep q'ing late night then yeah, you're gonna fight 29's from what i've noticed. Also as some other people have said, just get in combat and leave to avoid them. If you keep getting the same team, try waiting a couple minutes and q'ing again!

Shaket · Oct 23, 2014

Rollop said:
Shh, the new 29 rerolls have been there all along since the brackets conception. Never mind that the original 29 bracket has been dead since last year, and never mind that the people arguing with you are 24 rerolls.

Hyena

VS

Mountain Lion

How and Why

Ya dude total reroll must have tricked GM into giving multiple toons GF'd gear. U got me.

face meets palm

Shaket · Oct 23, 2014

Bloodinhoo said:
I don't get your point. You're complaining that we play on your bracket? That's it?

I mean...those 29 gf's legends you so admire...how many games did they play this year? You guys finally have a opportunity of play rising again and you're against it? Why?

Because some "people who don't pay for the game and refuse to adapt" as you say, are calling you cheap?

If you, as you said, don't see them as equals, why are you giving so much thought about what they think of you?
Go play arenas, or make a 10x10 wargame with only 29s. It's not like you don't have that possibility.

No, what you want is that WE acknowledge YOU as the true owner of the bracket, correct?
Yeah, not gonna happen. We all loan accounts from blizz. We own nothing.
F2P, or P2P.

What I am against is the people expecting those of us that have had 29s since vanilla to reroll or even feel bad for those that refuse to sub and level the playing field themselves. Instead they whine bitch and complain and try to claim that all these 29s with Deadman's Hand, etc are rerolls. As long as this stupidity continues to bump dumb threads like this to the top of the recent posts list on the TI homepage, I will continue to combat said stupidity with Science. Why? Because Science.

Shaket · Oct 23, 2014

The Saint · Oct 23, 2014

Rollop said:
Nobody gives a shit about the 2 29s that stuck it out and didnt reroll 24 only to reroll back to 29. I mean, props really. I'd be willing to bet every f2p twink thinks the same.

What wows version of ebola thinks really don't interest me.

As for you staying 24 because of some misguided attempt to bring balance to the bracket? Lol? Did we have a change of heart here?

I stayed 24 because my sub runs out sunday and I'm not renewing it. Balance in bracket a where it's majority continually shit all over it isn't something I will ever care about.

My point was, when I get destroyed by someone out gears me I know it was gear and don't care. It's pathetic that you do.

Are you looking for sympathy?

Save that for the people who have cried since their twisted version of WoW was introduced... Or at least a tissue.

You're in the wrong forum for that bud.

I realize most of you here put the blame for not playing conventionally at the feet of those who do. I've been around, and I realize parasites can't help being parasites. They're programmed to survive, feed and reproduce.

All that aside, I'm happy with the current iteration of trial pvp. It's about as close to fair as we've gotten. The only players im making fun of are the rerolls pretending they've been a 29 since that brackets conception.

And why wouldn't they roll 29? Twinking is about maxing your character. It isn't their fault you don't. And why they'd care what you think is beyond me.

When you realize this isn't your game, or bracket the better for you.

And please don't give me the same rubbish about F2Ps making games pop. Customers make McDonald's what it is, but they don't own it. And the majority ( which isn't this forum) wouldn't be here if it wasn't free.

Rai · Oct 23, 2014

Honey badger said:
The truth is we all need each other for bracket to do well.

bullshit..this bracket will work always without p2p..every1 know it
1 day befor patch i got 3-max 5min. on Eu ally side for a pop...Eu horde 2-4min.
on Eu u have 80% from all ppl this bracket on a trial acc

it is just the same borken que like 5 years befor when the xp off que start's in WotlK and dont work
blizzrad sux...thats all

Bloodinhoo · Oct 23, 2014

Why are you repeating SCIENCE! like Beakman if this is nothing about it?

Just play your 29s. Nobody really cares, and you shouldn't care either. You can wargame, you can q gilneas, you can wpvp, you can do a lot of things. Why are you acting like you aint got no options?

I mean, normally, when the f2p x p2p debacle starts, i find it funny and stupid, but sometimes the p2p side acts like they don't really got a choice on the matter. You pay the game, if anything you get way more choices than us. We HAVE to play with 29s. You don't have to play with us. Just wargame, squirmish or whatever, if the 29 community is as populated and alive as you make up to be, you won't have a problem.

Shaket · Oct 23, 2014

Rai said:
bullshit..this bracket will work always without f2p..every1 know it
1 day befor patch i got 3-max 5min. on Eu ally side for a pop...Eu horde 2-4min.
on Eu u have 80% from all ppl this bracket on a trial acc

it is just the same borken que like 5 years befor when the xp off que start's in WotlK and dont work
blizzrad sux...thats all

If the bracket 'needed' f2p, there would be no Gilneas pops. I don't really give a flying potato about EU, but on NA we've been getting Gilneas. Your statement is fail because Science.

I know alot of you are waiting for scaling.

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