Also [MENTION=3652]Nicozy[/MENTION], it is possible to be friendly and skillful at the same time. Just because some of us are nice does not mean that we don't know how to play. It is a common misconception in these forums that if one player is inclusive and friendly, rather than exclusive and hostile, they are inferior to the other.
Also Nicozy, it is possible to be friendly and skillful at the same time. Just because some of us are nice does not mean that we don't know how to play. It is a common misconception in these forums that if one player is inclusive and friendly, rather than exclusive and hostile, they are inferior to the other.
Ofc it is, which is something I have pointed out in other threads on this forum. Most of the core players are indeed friendly and skillful, it is an extreme vilification from lesser players that the top ones are just a bunch of assholes. If I portray all friendly players as "bads" I am sorry, that was not my intention. Indeed bad players range from friendly to complete assholes and are no different. What I am attacking is the "notion" that they want "friendly" games when really it is just a request to better players to play worse, and unless they do this they will whine on forums.
Ofc it is, which is something I have pointed out in other threads on this forum. Most of the core players are indeed friendly and skillful, it is an extreme vilification from lesser players that the top ones are just a bunch of assholes. If I portray all friendly players as "bads" I am sorry, that was not my intention. Indeed bad players range from friendly to complete assholes and are no different. What I am attacking is the "notion" that they want "friendly" games when really it is just a request to better players to play worse, and unless they do this they will whine on forums.
The way you worded it made it seem that all "carebears" were "inferior players gameplay-wise". Thank you for your clarification though.
As for the notion for friendly games to be played, I am on your side. Games should be played like any other. Players get better by playing against better opponents, simple as that. What I think Mocha was trying to point out, was that running a 5-man w/ Skype and steamrolling WSG pugs is not that encouraging for most of the population who solo-que for pugs, as it is fairly hard for 10 separate people to counter a synced group of 5 players with 5 other pugs.
[MENTION=3652]Nicozy[/MENTION] all I suggested is leave the containment fotm Skype queues for wargames and leave it out of pugs. That's all I've been saying since Cataclysm.
Pugs are practices. Want to have fun and play casually? Do it in a pug.
Undergeared but wanting to interact with 19s? Do it in a pug.
New to the bracket? Join a pug.
Competition is had when one side does a good job of opposing another. You will not find that in a pug if you're going in to steamroll in Skype and keep them in the GY.
Are you really asking me this? I have provided you with the exact reason for why 19s has stopped popping in the exact text that you are quoting. If you are going to quote someone you should try and actually read it before asking stupid questions that has already been answered.
19s stopped popping because the core competitive players of the bracket stopped queuing, due to multiple reasons that I explained in my previous post. You should try and PM some of your friends on TI or have someone read for you as you seem to lack the ability.
The carebears of the bracket have exactly what they want. The majority of core competitive players are doing something else at the moment, be it other brackets/private servers/other games/school/work.
They can set up their own code of conduct, they can queue up on their meeles with a considerably lower risk of someone mentioning it. They can play O and D all day and live happily ever after.
Yet this does not happen.
There are several reasons why. A lot of the people complaining on forums actually do not play the bracket anymore, or if they do they often queue up considerably less then the majority of players who keep the bracket popping. A related reason why they can't get pops alone is just due to the simple fact that they do not have the numbers, they really don't have that many people who agree with them and are ready to queue up.
A third reason, which Is my personal favorite is the fact that they know that if the core competitive group of players come back they would just get stomped on their O and D combo and they would be stuck at graveyard once again, because not only are they inferior players gameplay-wise, they also cling on an ancient playstyle. I think this is an important aspect to understand why these players like to complain about the people who are top dawgs under this current meta, it is a way to make themselves feel better about being bad. "Things are fucked up anyway so if I suck it does not matter"
and 5man fotm group in Skype farming gy's for 2 expansions did wonders for activity and getting new players interested in 19s, I mean just look at the steady decline in activity there has been since gy farming started in eu.. dat ignorance doe /gz
Saxxon, i don't know you, have nothing against you, same thing apply about Mocha but.. mate, again, how can a bracket die because of one person ?
Banning people for being dicks it's not wrong, this is not Stubs or whatever closed community forums, this is an open community with rules, rules that are not enforced like they should be in the first place. Why i say this?
Take a deeper look in all sections, read topics and confront them with CoC, you'll see half people on TI should've been banned long time ago.
It's like a jungle here, a jungle where chaos is at it's finest and only from time to time someone actually does the right thing to clean the shit and try to restore order.
To sum this up, No mate, you're totally wrong, this shit didn't happen because of a forum's moderator, happened because YOU, those that quit for the reasons you're implying HERE, care more about some forums instead of the game and not only that, there are other reasons you already know, they've been discussed.
The forums have been a HUGE part of the 19s culture since BC, whether you like it or not, if you were not a part of that that is not my issue, I have played in this bracket a very very long time.
And who even says I've stopped playing 19s? I've continued to play through it ALL, I am talking for a big group of people who HAVE LEFT THE BRACKET because of this, these were CORE MEMBERS of the 19 bracket who had played in it for YEARS, when you grasp that then maybe you have the right to tell me what im saying is wrong, it is FACT whether you like it or not, whether its right or wrong it is simply fact. You cannot argue the fact that it occurred, because it did occur, whether it be childish or not it had a huge crippling effect to 19s there is no disputing it. Mocha did his job though, he was never promoted to help the activity of the bracket, he was promoted to lock it down because shane didn't want to deal with it, and knew that a majority of the members on the forums disliked Mocha.
Those who are left because of one individual on the forums, are weak or mentally disturbed.
I say again, forums have nothing to do with THE VIDEO GAME. You don't play on the forums, it's not my problem those guys are so "affected" by forums that they left the bracket because of it. I find it silly and crazy at the same time. Also, this describes the mentality of the "core" and trust me, its not positive description at all.
If you or the others didnt like the way are handled here, you could make another forum to suit your needs.
And again, no, it's wrong to put this bracket failure onto some forum moderator. The "core" group is to blame, the mentality of most of this bracket is to blame, etc.
Yes, i'm known 19's hater but still i'm trying to understand your point of view and i purely can't agree with you no matter the perspective i'm looking into. What you're saying it's just wrong and silly and trust me, i don't have hidden agenda, you did nothing wrong towards me from what i remember.
You obviously have zero idea about 19 twinks, 19 twinks have always been a forum based community for the past 7 or 8 years. That is how the community has always been do you understand? Do you wonder why the biggest and most viewed threads have been in the 15-19 section? Because that is how the bracket has ALWAYS BEEN, everyone knows everyone in the bracket.
To call these people "weak" and "mentally disturbed" is some of the most petty shit i've ever heard, they left because they were getting fucked over for a bracket they loved and had played for a good portion of time.
It does not matter one bit if you agree with what I'm saying, it is merely a fact as to what happened and I'm not reiterating it 100 more times. We lost many core members who disliked the awful way 19s were headed, simple as that, they left, the bracket became less competitive and the soul of it died,
You literally just called a group of people "Sick and mentally disturbed" then have the nerve to lecture me on insulting people on RL issues and harassment? They were not trolls, most of the core players who left were good people, not prebupescant teenagers looking to pick fights on the forums
They didn't leave the game, they quit the bracket because it was heading into a sour state, do you not understand? These were friendly helpful people, not your European trolls, these were people who worked normal jobs and enjoyed the competitive aspect of the 19 bracket. Some friendly banter and mind you it was good banter not hurtful or trolling, it was merely competitive and it provided an exciting atmosphere that nearly no bracket has ever had.
You do realise people were being banned because there english was not being spoken well enough? If your opinion differed from that of the person who was mod your post was deleted and you were infracted, this is not some crazy "conspiracy" it happened for about a month or two before people got fed up and just gave up.
I understand that you might not be able to grasp the significance of the forums and in game activities because you haven't played in the 19 bracket and thats fine, but you seriously have no idea what you're talking about when you say it should have no effect, because for 19s it has always been an important thing.
This is my last post I give some random who probably has never played in the bracket and has no concept of the correlation between forums and in game competitiveness.
My experiences with them say otherwise and here are examples for which I'll specifically share with you besides Stubs calling me an "emo faggot" out of nowhere.
They came over here and I was excited. I played a game with them and Stavie and immediately was disgusted. It was nothing but calling others garbage and bitching about damage charts.
I was asked to join the GY encampment (as we had not touched the flag) and refused. Was called a "p*ssy" and afterwards was asked to join again. I denied and then was afkd out. This was how it went for the first 3 games I spent with the EU guys.
In a premade against ATW Pizza ordered me (FC) to go tunnel. As I did, things collapsed and we ended up losing the game. Pizza immediately said that it was his mistake in ordering me to do so and that I did the correct thing by taking orders. In Skype, Stubs had another attitude.
He called me the shittiest warrior in the bracket. Told me I was a r*tard and asked if someone told me to jump off a cliff would I still do it?
You do realise people were being banned because there english was not being spoken well enough? If your opinion differed from that of the person who was mod your post was deleted and you were infracted, this is not some crazy "conspiracy" it happened for about a month or two before people got fed up and just gave up.
This is 100% false. You can't go around throwing such huge accusations on things that never happened. And then not even giving one example of it happening.
No member was ever banned "because their english was not being spoken well enough" Are you kidding?
No one was infracted because of their opinions. They were infracted because of how they failed to post their opinions respectfully. Wake up.
Us moderators are the CoC. This site is not a democracy. This site is Shane's site and I am going to enforce his CoC as he wants us moderators to.
Im sorry if people can't refrain from posting @ mod threads or calling each other c*nts on a daily basis despite shane saying dozens of times that he doesn't want this garbage on the forums. We are all on this site as a privilege. Not a right. I don't have rights to do anything. Shane can ban me if he'd like simply because he wants to. These are his forums. If the entire community voted to have a moderator removed and gave this poll to shane he would wipe his ass with it.
No one is forcing you to use TI. There are many other forums out there where you can swear at each other all day and talk trash all day. Hell, you can make a new forum yourself for free and do so there. As long as you are posting on TI, you are giving up your rights and agreeing to abide by Shane's CoC. It's a privilege. Not a right.
You argue that I "banned everyone in EU" I gave you specific examples of what happened and how they happened. You'll see that half of the moderation wasn't done by me and had Stubs not gone mad one evening I would not have even been requested to moderate. Had these threads not been made Shane wouldn't have had to ban anyone. Had they stopped ignoring Shane's orders, no one would have been banned.
Nicozy makes 2 more threads. I deleted both as that was the proper thing to do and is what Shane instructed me to do.
Derv makes a new thread. I tell him that there is no place for this discussion on the site, and was not banned.
Nicozy makes another thread and Shane locks it and says that any future threads about this will result in bans.
Nicozy makes another thread and is banned for 4 months by Shane because Nicozy "needed time to cool off" in the words of shane.
Vianco starts mouthing off about the ban on Nicozy which is against the CoC so I gave only a 2 day ban.
Stubs bitches me out and went through 2 warnings and 3 infractions before being banned by me for 2 weeks.
Nicozy circumvents his ban which earns him a permaban on his main account.
Stubs comes back bitching me out for Nicozy being indefinitely banned and was banned for 6 months as instructed by Shane.
Stubs circumvents his ban which earns him a permaban on his main account.
Stubs and Nicozy were unbanned when everyone else was by Silin. These members were under close watch.
Stubs bitches me out again and goes through 2 more warnings and 3 infractions before being banned by me for 2 months.
Stubs comes back bitching me out again and being hateful yet again.
You argue that I "killed" the bracket. I showed you that games stopped popping weeks before I was even a moderator.
This is my last post in response to this matter and hopefully you'll see that in you providing no examples whatsoever and me providing exact examples of the occurrences that you are referring to happened, you'll see how you don't even know what happened yourself. Half of this bs is the result of people posting without knowing what the hell happened in the first place.
"Mocha banned everyone in eu!" "Omg he did what a tyrant"
Look at the specific cases that I just gave you above in red text and tell me how I "banned everyone" from eu. If I were to unban someone simply because they are a "core player" that is pure 100% corruption.
All of this garbage is created because people are bored and they're looking for someone to blame. The bracket lost activity before I was even a moderator. Instead of bitching about a moderator, why don't you reactivate your sub and actually organize something?
- Oh that would be because it would require tremendous effort and people are too lazy to do anything. It's easier to just said "Mocha killed 19s" than to participate in the games that we have going.
I stopped using TI for the most part in september when i started work again and didn't even log on the site until December. Oh guess what? We started getting games in December. Since then I've been on TI and guess what? We've had over 25+ games this year. If me being moderator killed the bracket, like you say, why do games still happen with me being moderator?
There's no way in hell a forum ban will prevent you from playing your character. If it does, that's your choice not to just like it was your choice to sit here and call moderators "c*nts" in private messages which earned you infractions. Pretty easy to scapegoat someone for the blame when you simply don't feel like playing 19s outside of premade season (as this was the case for the entirety of MOP) That's your own fault. We still play 19s and we haven't quit. You're choosing not to participate. That's your fault.
For the thousandth time, any post or thread about this drama is going to be instantly deleted. If you keep posting this crap, I'll abide by what the admins told me last night and start handing out infractions as that's what they want me to do. If you gain 3 active infractions no matter who you are, the system will automatically ban you.
I refer to this garbage as "crap" and "garbage" because it's nothing but word of mouth and there is little to no truth in it.Falsified screenshots? Bold statements without ever giving an example? You guys have blown all of this out of proportion. I gave you the specific cases right above and I have to ask, did you even read them????
I'm done. I've asked dozens of times to inbox me specific examples and yet not a single person has done so. This leads me to believe that although it is the general opinion, it is based on no actually correct / concrete information.
This drama is done. Take it elsewhere and leave it off the forums. The future posts and threads are going to be deleted. If you keep doing this you will receive infractions as that is exactly what has been instructed of me to do. If you continue doing so you will force yourself into an auto ban through the system. The line in the sand has been drawn.
Edit: I'm sorry for what my thread has turned into. Is it too much to ask that we leave the steamrolling gy containment for wargames and refrain from doing so in pugs? Punch in the face every time you lose a 1 on 1 basketball game and you've got no one left to play with.
