Bracket is way more broken next patch

im not suggesting either. i personally dont hold must respect for that guild (other than vanillia) nor the level of skill there players bring.

I lol'd at the fact you slag off 19s/24s the most out of anyone on TI and now your going to join a 24 guild.

:)

idk most members either, but have seen most of them play in bgs , and did couple arenas with vanilla,luceon etc... and they dont seem bad at all.
i have nothing agaisnt the guild, maybe critcat, he seems like troll to me.
And i still dont really like p2p24-20 and f2ptwinks in same bracket but since GSC does alot of war games arenas and bgs, so that wont be probelm.
if i cant wait for my friend to show up ingame, i might make new acc and have to play 24s on bgs for looms, well anyway its not end of the world.
 
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I might join u in GSC adventure if i get my old p2p acc and transfer my hunter and pala to ravencrest, or might even get new battlechest acc.

i would like to twink at 60 or 70 for the content not for the key binds, but sadly comunity is dead so will go for the comunity(GSC) isntead of the content.
Yeah why not.. all of this (twinking) feels just better on a p2p account. Id not stop you doing that, hence i would even encourage it. Might even help you out on that if you need help with a xmas present or a bday present like you had a similar account fund thing in the past hehe
 
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I like to play this game normal. Everyone has the option to play this game normal too. If you have anything against what blizzard is doing go complain to them instead of here, I am fed up to read the hate towards 24s. This has to stop it is pointles and silly. There are no arguments people can make from a trial perspective vs a payed aka normal point of view. If you chose to limit yourself it is your own fault and not the people who want to play this game normal.


Don't believe I have to do that since you said that to me.

But Alpha you know as well that what I wrote above is the thruth even though I understand the f2p point of view but we are paying customers and we are twinkers so we use what is available to us regardless of how op stuff is and regardless how strong it will make our toon compared to a f2ptwink. This is Twinking and you will do the same and are the same, even if f2p would get their own bracket, but it still will be unbalanced as hell cause there is no real balance at all.

I know you don't mind p2p players but why do you try to defend this every time when you allready know how this works and what the arguments are and knowing nothing will change unless you join p2p and upgrade your trial account.

Points we don't agree on are the following :

- p2p's don't play this bracket normaly regardless of paying for it, maybe in other brackets but in this one - sorry but no ! when it comes down to Ant>boot !
- again it's not about options you have at your disposal but about choices you make ( wether you choose to take them or not )
- Q times aside, majority of p2p's came to 20-24 bracket cause of their advantages over the rest - if every f2p bought the game this bracket wouldn't exist cause everyone would have it equal - and then all other brackets would risen again.
- This no longer falls under ''twinking'' cathegory - p2p stats and enchants made sure of that - again it comes down to Ant>Boot
- I am not the same ! if i was i would be playing a p2p - again i choose not to even though i can pay and have payed for the game for 5 years
- The part with ''no balance '' is not on your hands- what is , is the choice you make ( f2p or p2p )
- i don't concider ''upgrading my trial account'' as an upgrade but rather as a downfall.

Finishing thoughts....you still have my respect and you would have it even more if your choices were diff.
I do know how this works and i will not be letting it go especially when i see a thread that falls into the ''brag call'' cathegory.
My level of selfrighteousness will not allow it, even at the cost of being laught at ( lol at that ,being laughed at by idiots ), or banned.
For me it's crossing the line that ultimatly sholdn't even exist in the first place.
 
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That also counts for you, you sneaky lurking alpha :p

Vanilla offered me all the perks and Luceon's spot in premades for my warrior ( since be basicly do the same thing ) and also tried to bribe me with Halaani Whiskey into coming to GSC, but i'm affraid all the Halaani Whiskey in the world can't make me ! :)
 
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Why? Cuz you're all on par there gear wise? Or because you play by "contained or be contained"="farm or be farmed" rule at 19?

Lovely to see ppl making excuses of playing p2p's fully loomed and enchanted chars at 20-24 just because f2p's have so many rogues and hunters that they need to counter, and the only way to counter those +1dmg weapon enchanted class is to make a DS enchanted class :)) Don't tell me at 19 you don't have rogues and hunters? Seeing your subforum, you qq alot about them.

Again, i've played a lvl 24 rogue in those times when this f2p-p2p gap wasn't so gamebreaking and still i found out playing that 24 retarded OP compared to those poor f2p's. I can play that 24 again and wreck you to pieces anytime i want since my sub is active but i don't do it. why? Because that's not twinking as you call it, that's what Alpha said, stomping ants since those MANY f2ps(that form a bracket that would not exist without them) would never be on par with you gear wise and enchantswise. You might say, ok, indeed rogues and hunters are fucking OP at 24 but only them.

Really? Have you seen a 24 disc priest dps? Have you seen a lvl24 Shadowpriest? Have you seen a 24 boomie or a 24 paladin or even a 24 lock? Yes, some of them lack the survivability of others but in terms of burst/sustained dmg, no F2P can compete with them. So again, no, not hunters and rogues broke this bracket, YOU did it in the first place.

And one more thing about hunters, tell me when it was the last time when they weren't FOTM in lower brackets? From what i remember, when i was playing at 29 in TBC, they were still Kings of the Gulch.

PS: I know, you pay for the game and you have the right do to what you want. Then, stop posting in "pros", cuz you're not. You're just a bunch of PVP failures at endgame(see the one capping each week his Conquest Points) that like to stomp ants at lower pvp because when you meet the big boys, you can't pass the 1550 rating without being boosted, using rotation bots... etc.
Oh please man, dont be so silly.. you really thought i would read your reply.. seriously after all the nonsense you post on this forum about that crap? I bet its even the same crap in the quoted above.
 
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Points we don't agree on are the following :

- p2p's don't play this bracket normaly regardless of paying for it, maybe in other brackets but in this one - sorry but no ! when it comes down to Ant>boot !
- again it's not about options you have at your disposal but about choices you make ( wether you choose to take them or not )
- Q times aside, majority of p2p's came to 20-24 bracket cause of their advantages over the rest - if every f2p bought the game this bracket wouldn't exist cause everyone would have it equal - and then all other brackets would risen again.
- This no longer falls under ''twinking'' cathegory - p2p stats and enchants made sure of that - again it comes down to Ant>Boot
- I am not the same ! if i was i would be playing a p2p - again i choose not to even though i can pay and have payed for the game for 5 years
- The part with ''no balance '' is not on your hands- what is , is the choice you make ( f2p or p2p )
- i don't concider ''upgrading my trial account'' as an upgrade but rather as a downfall.

Finishing thoughts....you still have my respect and you would have it even more if your choices were diff.
I do know how this works and i will not be letting it go especially when i see a thread that falls into the ''brag call'' cathegory.
My level of selfrighteousness will not allow it, even at the cost of being laught at ( lol at that ,being laughed at by idiots ), or banned.
For me it's crossing the line that ultimatly sholdn't even exist in the first place.
I will say it again Alpha.. get out of your f2p bubble. You played to much of that and lost your view on what is normal. F2p is not playing the game normal.. it is a trial.. p2p is the normal way.

No offense, it is just the way it is :)
 
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PS: I know, you pay for the game and you have the right do to what you want. Then, stop posting in "pros", cuz you're not. You're just a bunch of PVP failures at endgame(see the one capping each week his Conquest Points) that like to stomp ants at lower pvp because when you meet the big boys, you can't pass the 1550 rating without being boosted, using CR bots... etc.
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1. ofc they are. no doubt
2. when do you see 24s act like elitists? you might mix it up with the 19s community (aggramar f2ps are e.g way more elitist, even though they dont even have a handful good ppl)
3. dont you think the description (blabla sht at endgame, 1,5k rating heroes) fits also on the most f2p fotm rerollers?
 
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I will say it again Alpha.. get out of your f2p bubble. You played to much of that and lost your view on what is normal. F2p is not playing the game normal.. it is a trial.. p2p is the normal way.

No offense, it is just the way it is :)

I am sorry my friend but you are wrong......

From all of what i have read on TI since the start nothing can deminish the fundamental fact :

''p2p's play this bracket cause it makes them stronger than the rest, and it's a choice they don't have to make but choose it anyway....''

and the sheer knowing of that makes it wrong....regardless of how the rest of the world feels about it......

piece.
 
I play scrub 24 and agree completely with the F2Ps regarding this issue. I think anyone who tries to convince themselves that 24 is fair is really just trolling or is suffering with severe self righteousness.

I also play F2P restricted 20's as well, but sometimes premades/24's make me want to log something more capable of carrying a BG (or at least contributing more than some lowly 20)

I don't believe there is any credible argument FOR 24... Not one which makes you sound like a fair, decent guy. Deep down you know that P2P are playing to an advantage. I can only think that you're trolling the hell out of Achmed and Bestasky (cos lets face it, they take the bait)...But I hope not. I hope you could provide some weight to your arguments instead of just saying "you're wrong!"
 
People are more lost then expected. Play more f2p.

I am the one here looking at all sides and make/base my opinion and views on that but yall just only look from the poor f2p trial side who has no way to counter what is comming to him so it is not fair... thats all i see in all these replies and the only thing you can come up with. I havent seen any counter to what playing the game normals compared to f2p is.

Anyway i dont care about this, seeing most people here have an iq and brains of a 10 y/o who doesnt get what he wants and for free. Grow up.
 
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Oh no, this conversation won't be about me, you all know what i'm capable of in a BG.......and no i refuse to use focus charge macro or any macro for that matter just like addons...lets just say i like to do everything the hard way without any help.

And my statistics are a matter of playing the game....numbers come as a resault of that- not the other way around.

My question was very simple....i asked who among you p2p can come before me and say he is skilled....naturally you all failed to understand it.

Regardless of only a handful of you being actually skilled as players, noone can say that outloud while playing a p2p char because of his silly advantage.......that was the whole point of the question.

Ofc it goes without saying that maybe 10 ppl on EU are skilled who play p2p.......and no! again this isn't about how f2p are skilled, we're talking yet again about p2p's bragging and they lack the leverage to do so seing their advantage.

i do play f2p... and i just told you i'll come slap you on my f2p, BUT you're the little bitch i always thought you was.

what do you call "skill" btw? i was always thought it was use of ability's and awareness.... but you have no addons no macros and you're a warrior... so you just charge and hit 2 buttons?

i now see why you play warr, you couldn't handle anything else.
 
I play scrub 24 and agree completely with the F2Ps regarding this issue. I think anyone who tries to convince themselves that 24 is fair is really just trolling or is suffering with severe self righteousness.

i'm not saying p2p don't have an advantage. i'm saying f2ps give the selves every advantage they can obtain, but i shouldn't?

next time i see one coming if i take my gear off and let em global me we can be friends?

also, the f2p's getting all butt hurt obout this... i'm not strictly talking about ti members. you know like i do, the majority (none ti ppl are the majority of the bracket) just play... 1. cuz it's free, 2. the most OP thing they can and fuck what everyone else does. if they could get hold of our gear they would in a heart beat.
 
I lold hard.

Yeah Alpha, normal way to do is go make a p2p and stomp f2p's. That's the normal way to do :)

no, the normal way is to not stay trial, it was never intended for that :rolleyes:.
 
So if we don't see things the way you do, our IQ is a 10 y/o kid. Can you me more absurd and silly that you already are? I wonder..

Atleast i dont get carried away with f2p claiming the bracket and everything else is not fair as p2p and f2p player. Glad i can look neutral towards this discussion. You can't. Which is also the reason why you keep going and going with the same flawed arguments and ignore the counter arguments that were given which would in a normal discussion, without thickheaded people, be enough to change their opinions, which it does not and makes this all look like yall not even want to discuss this but just QQ or want to fight.
 
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So if we don't see things the way you do, our IQ is a 10 y/o kid. Can you me more absurd and silly that you already are? I wonder..

yes he could. he could write in one thread he gets no challenge from endgame, then move to premading vs trials :rolleyes:.
 
i do play f2p... and i just told you i'll come slap you on my f2p, BUT you're the little bitch i always thought you was.

what do you call "skill" btw? i was always thought it was use of ability's and awareness.... but you have no addons no macros and you're a warrior... so you just charge and hit 2 buttons?

i now see why you play warr, you couldn't handle anything else.

It was a dilema wether to respond to your reply or not........

Neither you or any other f2p/p2p scare me, i have proven myself countless times in BG's,for you to be calling me out as a bitch is both pathetic and childish way to go.......and you'll need more than words to slap me around.....sure by all means come with any class you choose and slap me around.....

Now if the ''dick measuring contest is over'' with your petty derailments.......you need to read my post again seing you missed it......

And while being on the subject........i like to play game in hard mode without help from macros or addons.....that is my choice - and my choice is not for you to deminish with your petty arguments.....especially with you playing with all the help you can get as a p2p......

Now grow a pair, grow up, and switch your brain in ON mode.....and not necessarily in that order..........
 
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