Does Blizz even adress issues for f2p?

Tom Ganks

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I understand we're not paying for the game and they only cater to paying customers. But on the other hand, most f2p twinks are or were paying customers. I myself have put in about 200 bucks into the game. They fail to acknowledge this and continue to ignore us.

My most recent request:
"Hello. I have been playing on this f2p account shortly after 5.4 came out and noticed the balance in BGs for f2p and p2p have been WAY off.
Rogues slamming 3600 hp, toped with insane agility/dancing steel chants. Monks rolling in with 4800+, etc.
GY farming is about 70-90% of all battlegrounds now, and the p2p pop in the bracket has sky rocketed. I dont mind competition, but I dont like the fact that the most well equipped f2p are being slaughtered by 24 twinks with easily obtainable enchants and heirlooms off the ah/vendors.
May I suggest separating the f2p into their own bracket, so players can at least have a fair match up? If not can you at least note balancing the ridiculous 5.4 enchant/scaling issue? Many of us are actual paying customers, we just enjoy different gameplay experiences."

His reply was the Generic, "Hello I am robot and I am programmed to reply to starter edition accounts and tell them that we are terribly sorry for these difficulties. As a starter edition, these restrictions and disadvantages are existed to give players a small taste of the game. If you would like to experience these full capabilities, upgrading would be your best solution! :)
Live well and prosper!"
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I never asked a GM something like this, but i have asked them many different things, and the overwhelming response is pretty much "subscribe or eat a dick, live long and prosper".

To which i find fair, since i do play their game for free.
 
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I don't think it's a matter of caring, but more of a matter why should they care?

They claim to balance the game around endgame PvP and raiding, which they use the spaghetti attempt. (The spaghetti attempt is throwing handful after handful of wet spaghetti at a wall and whatever sticks is what they go with.) So there's a big fat no around balancing around end game, which means that lower isn't going to get any direct attention by default.

They're still making money and have made money even with the jaw dropping class imbalances over the years, so there's no incentive to do anything. To put into a comical context, Blizzard is riding a gravy train with biscuit wheels and they're gonna ride till it falls apart. Only when something seriously goes wrong and endangers the ride will they fix something. Now to bring that into a bit of a clearer view... with all the people quitting and them throwing out instant 90's and practically handing out BoA's to help people get to 90, what is the incentive to get them to balance anything, let alone look at a bracket that's populated by f2p's (Which they clearly view as freeloaders.) and twinks. (which they don't support.)

So what is it that will make Blizzard perk a brow and pay attention? Lack of income. Just like any company, threaten their money and they'll bend over for you, but since f2p's don't threaten their money, and since they view twinking as a niche' part of the game and not a major contributor of their income, why should they care? Look at what all has befallen them and they're still rockin' millions of people. There has to be a possibility of them caring from the get-go for them to do something. But since they don't, the possibility of changing anything (disregarding everything that's happened) is an impossibility.
 
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I've been playing warcaft well before "f2p" was released and the answer is no. When changes are made, they are not made specifically for this bracket. They just effect this bracket. Which is typical of most "twink" brackets. This one just sees a largest impact, normally. Not necessarily that they hate the f2p bracket, they just cant be bothered to balance every single bracket in the game. It's too much. The idea here is this bracket, and you, are at the bottom of the bottom of the totem pole. So you as a long term f2per shouldnt pour your heart and soul into it. Why would you, you're not getting the same return. Right?
 
That's pretty solid advice. Anytime you're not getting what you want out of something, it's time to re-evaluate how much you should put into it. See, here's something that people need to learn, and it's the definitions of value and worth.

Does Blizzard value your opinion? No. Does Blizzard think your opinion is worth anything? No. Why do they not think the f2p'ers opinions and ideas have any worth or value? Because money is worth more and you're not giving it to them as an f2p. And since they consider twinking only a small part of the game, it's not enough money (thus, worth it to them) to make them reconsider their stance.
 
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Although it's obvious that Blizzard only cares about paying customers and they won't do anything about issues with starters, the whole 'you're getting what you paid for' argument doesn't seem logical at all. After all starter edition is supposed to entice new customers into paying for the product. If the first thing you experience is a brick wall you're pretty damn unlikely to buy the full game.

A demo version that blatantly sucks hurts your business more than it helps.
 
Does Blizzard GMs ever resolve tickets for f2p? Yes, they do. But what you posted really isn't a valid GM ticket. They cannot address issues of balance.

Let me tell you a little story. Back in the day (showing my age here), I got a demo disk of Metal Gear Solid for the original PlayStation. I played that thing for hours. Over and over until I basically had cleared that submarine base in every way imaginable. Eventually i got bored with it. It was a great demo, but by your measure it blatantly sucked. So should I have asked Konami for more or better content for free?

Blizzard has stated that twinking was not intended. However they have thrown us some bones from time to time. Bhesten and Slahtz are such. They let p2p turn XP off. Look at them, they are lvl 19 rogues, their gear is old school Twink gear, their emotes are a nod to twinking.

The unlimited trial is intended to let you taste the game, level to 20, and then make a decision if you want to buy and sub.

So if twinking itself was not intended, certainly f2p twinking is completely not intended or supported.

However f2p does get things beyond what was there at the beginning. As blizzard changes the game some of those changes trickle down to trial accounts, such as shared mounts and pets and Pandarens. Some things like pet battles and monks do not.

The trial account doesn't blatantly suck. You're just using it in a way that was never intended. Your choice is to either accept that fact and continue to play or quit and move on.

There's an old saying 'never look a gift horse in the mouth'
 
Imo F2P twinking gets more than P2P twinking. You got a bracket in which bg's pop. P2P joined the ride. The question is more, "why doesn't Bliz care more about twinking at low levels." Answer: they never have.
 
Takeo said:
Does Blizzard GMs ever resolve tickets for f2p? Yes, they do. But what you posted really isn't a valid GM ticket. They cannot address issues of balance.

Let me tell you a little story. Back in the day (showing my age here), I got a demo disk of Metal Gear Solid for the original PlayStation. I played that thing for hours. Over and over until I basically had cleared that submarine base in every way imaginable. Eventually i got bored with it. It was a great demo, but by your measure it blatantly sucked. So should I have asked Konami for more or better content for free?

Blizzard has stated that twinking was not intended. However they have thrown us some bones from time to time. Bhesten and Slahtz are such. They let p2p turn XP off. Look at them, they are lvl 19 rogues, their gear is old school Twink gear, their emotes are a nod to twinking.

The unlimited trial is intended to let you taste the game, level to 20, and then make a decision if you want to buy and sub.

So if twinking itself was not intended, certainly f2p twinking is completely not intended or supported.

However f2p does get things beyond what was there at the beginning. As blizzard changes the game some of those changes trickle down to trial accounts, such as shared mounts and pets and Pandarens. Some things like pet battles and monks do not.

The trial account doesn't blatantly suck. You're just using it in a way that was never intended. Your choice is to either accept that fact and continue to play or quit and move on.

There's an old saying 'never look a gift horse in the mouth'
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MGS demo didn't suck, completely irrelevant example. Now if it sucked, I'm sure it would have affected game sales negatively. Also I never said that WoW starter edition sucks, I was replying to the opinions that Blizzard has no reason to care about starters.
 
I've never had a single bad experience with a GM. On the other hand, I've never made requests of them that are out of their realm. They are customer service reps, they can't address balance issues! The most they could do is pass along the concerns. But that's not what the ticket avenue is for, that's what the forum avenue is for.

If people stop asking them to do things they can't do, and stop flipping out when they don't do them, I think the general perception of GMs would improve dramatically.
 
you're asking for something that p2p don't get. do you have any idea what a 90 warrior can do? and that's the part of the game they say ,they balance.

look at the official forum.

ok so some of it is just plain whining, but they are a lot of valid points. back in cataclysm people were crying out for mage nerfs, i mean they was literally the f2p hunter of 85s. what did blizzard do? buffed them.... twice.
 
Takeo said:
I got a demo disk of Metal Gear Solid for the original PlayStation. I played that thing for hours. Over and over until I basically had cleared that submarine base in every way imaginable. Eventually i got bored with it. It was a great demo, but by your measure it blatantly sucked. '
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Metal Gear Solid is the shit man! I loved that demo disc as well.
 
Well, Blizzard hands over goodies from time to time - see Archaeology, see lvl upgrade.

And asking that company for balancing is a waste of time. The same whine occurs since the release in 2005 but no cheese is served except for "in vanilla everything was better and more balanced" - naaaah, not really.

Blizzard will never be able to get a good pvp balancing into a pve game as pvp is not their focus. And twinking even less.


Eat what they throw at you and be happy. There are no other options if you don't want to pay.


I Blizzard was clever, they'd go for a small abo for some f2p upgrades - like 3-5€ per month for mail system, auctions, having more than 10g and professions up to their normal lvl-blocks.
 
Imo this doesn't really have anything to do with f2p. You were talking to them about pvp balancing, and the GM made the mistake of telling you that if you paid for the game it would get better. Balancing at this (and any level imo) does not get solved by not being f2p.

Really, Pvp is only ever an afterthought as far as blizz is concerned. They make half hearted stabs at balancing, but are only really interested in keeping arena rating chasers on that weekly points cap hamster wheel so they'll keep subbing for the game.

As far as I'm concerned WoW f2p is acceptable quality for the price tag. Blizz will probably never change a thing with f2p in mind, so asking is just a waste of time.
 
Baumbart said:
Although it's obvious that Blizzard only cares about paying customers and they won't do anything about issues with starters, the whole 'you're getting what you paid for' argument doesn't seem logical at all. After all starter edition is supposed to entice new customers into paying for the product. If the first thing you experience is a brick wall you're pretty damn unlikely to buy the full game.

A demo version that blatantly sucks hurts your business more than it helps.
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The Starter Edition does work, its not ment to be exploited for its "free for ever" part (i.e playing it for years). very few new players continue with f2p, they either sub wow or stop playing. Suggesting the "starter account" model doesnt work is very narrow minded if you only take into account battlegrounds, there are larger parts of being level 20 than just purely bg based.

Then again, every player is different into what they want to do, seeing as we are a twink community we will only BG and complain about the balances issues there.
 
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