29s Breaking The Inactivity

[Mocha]

The 25-29 bracket has been falling back to becoming inactive. I feel that now is the time to break the inactivity for good.
Some of you may know my name or know me from 19s... and I know many of you may not know me from 29s so I will briefly introduce my involvement in the 29 bracket:

I have been playing 19s for a very, very long time. However, early on I was somewhat more known for my 29s than my 19s. I am from Vengeance and those of you who remember Fieryfrost, Ohai, Pewberty, Bubbleboy etc may or may not remember my 29s (it's besides the point) I used to be known as Syn/Kael/Ice and played horde mage FC and horde rogue. What I used to love most about 29s was the community. It was highly competitive, organized and was high in sportsmanship. There was a tremendous amount of respect for all 29 twinkers.

Many other brackets are currently struggling from lack of competitive games. Why is this? All brackets have their reasons, most of which being powerful class/spec rerolling but every bracket has the same issue which starts from lack of respect for fellow twinks of all experience levels. In smaller brackets such as this one, you rely on the opposing faction to queue just so you can get a game to pop. In order to have steady pops we must work together as a team. For starters we need to coordinate queues. There is already a thread that tells you when to queue.

Once we do get more frequent pops we must take two principles into action which will guarantee the future of the bracket so long as we hold dear to these principles (which are based purely on common sense)

1) Support newcomers by helping them get started and playing with them. Every twink was once new to their twink bracket.

2) Play respectfully. Graveyard "containing" (farming) kills activity. The veterans stop playing, the farmers get bored, the newcomers level out.


The goal for PvP at lower levels shouldn't be to steamroll one another. Sure it used to be when there were 5-15 games constantly ongoing between levels 10-19. However with that mindset, steamrolling now turns into lack of pops for everyone... so when a faction stops another faction from queuing, they stop / slow games for every single person in the bracket.

Myself along with a few other fellow 29 twinkers are currently on Bleeding Hollow. Since our numbers are small we need to coordinate and communicate with everything we are doing. I feel this is a great place to start until we grow in numbers. Once our numbers grow we should spread out to prevent forming super guilds and to create more guilds. I personally believe that many 24 twinks could be talked into joining the 25-29 bracket to have more competitive games.

My battle tag is Mocha#1247 for those of you who would like to help bring the 25-29 bracket to a more positive direction. Looking forward to playing with you all soon!

Cheers,
~~Mocha~~

 

[willix]

While I generally agree with everything you've just said, unless you've participated in activity consistently throughout Wotlk, Cata, and into MoP, I'm afraid you just don't know what's going on with 29s.

When Patch 3.2 dropped, twinks were forced to make a hard decision: Quit or reroll/xfer to a battle group with twink activity. This meant that a lot of old school players from BC simply up and quit. The ones that didn't, eventually found their way to Reckoning, where up until the final months of Wotlk, they enjoyed exactly what you were talking about, including a group cohesion which allowed them to enact and enforce a ban on Aimed Shot. That said, with the implementation of the new forums and real ID in Cata, many of those players simply dropped off the face of the planet.

MOST of them do not play anymore, and haven't played since before Cata. With Cata, we saw a huge change in the way 29s geared and played. While no longer being able to get games constantly, we had to organize the few who were left and attempt to get activity. The first 6 months of Cata proved extremely tough, with some classes doing insane amounts of damage and really pushing the envelope when it comes to the patience and willingness of the community to participate in games. With Cata release, we lost some great leaders in the community (even if many of them were less than average players), and along with that, the kind of cohesiveness we saw in Wotlk post 3.2.

On top of that, class balancing changes, grandfathering of very powerful gear items, and an overall lack of numbers, contributed to a constantly fluctuating bracket. 29s died multiple times in Cata just because of things like lack of community cohesion on simple issues. When MoP was announced, our already dwindling community shrank even further, and post launch, we were struggling to even get 10 people online just to do things like 2v2 or 3v3.

Now, we are faced with obstacles like class imbalances that completely threaten the kind of game play we have always found favorable. We are at a point where it's impossible to even get 20 people online on a normally scheduled and agreed upon game night (the same night we've had 29s for 3+ years). For the most part, there are only a handful of us who are currently active to a point where we can put together wargames on occasion. Everyone else has either decided to stop playing 29s or stop playing Wow.

I really hate to rain on your parade, but you're about 3 years too late.

PS The few of us who are currently active, don't really like Tapout or his brother, and would not play with those kids if they were the last 29s on earth. Coordinating from BH is probably a bad idea.

 

[Mocha]

Everything mentioned was exactly what I've expected with the exception of class imbalances. My gfd rogue could not even break through a gfd priest's bubble to my surprise. Anyways I feel that personally there is no need to dislike any of the remaining 29s. Sure, you have your reasons and I'm not going to try to persuade anyone to like someone... But personally I've known those guys for years and living force is one of the few remaining 19 community contributors who truly care about the community and don't think selfishly.

im not interested in discussing anyone's likability in this thread but I will say that whether you hate someone or not, an extra spot queuing no matter who that person is, Is a step in the right direction. Living and I queued last night and just felt like we were the only ones in queue. If we knew that others were in queue we would have waited longer. I feel as if we get a pop and then adjust things will be better. Since the numbers are small I would hope that a prot warrior would understand and respec..

 

[soskanky]

Ill put this in the most constructive way possible. While I appreciate what your ultimate goal is, the fact is you haven't taken the journey to get where the bracket is today. You could have no possible idea what this bracket needs moving forward. You claim to have been in the bracket previously, but those listed, I precede. You were a flash in the pan in the bracket and can have no basis of a feeling for the needs of the bracket and the community as a whole. To try and place legitimacy to what your intentions are,you mention Living. He may be a great guy with the best intentions, but he has shown a pattern of consistently demonstrating the wrong path to get there.
Instead what you should be doing is sitting down and talking to the veterans that have been integral in jump starting this bracket repeatedly. Talk to Nastay, talk to Nirise, Yoube, Loli, R9 and even Willy(lol cant believe i said that) Get a firm grasp on the brackets needs and the state of the bracket first. Otherwise this is insulting to us vets who have been here for a long time, to hear this from some flash in the pan.

Cheers

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[Luplis]

Mocha, I appreciate this thread. It's nice to see a new post in the 25-29 TI forums, however Soskanky and Willy, both Veterans, have shed the real light on the subject. Positive vibes and high fives aren't going to give us what we need, unfortunately. Among more from Veterans:

While I'm happy to help games pop when I'm on, I don't plan on spending much time in XP-off brackets over the next several weeks. Several factors contribute to that decision, and I hope for things to change come July.

Should we take a break for a month and reconvene in June when school is out?

It's hard to say. I feel as my motivation to play in most xp-off bracket has died down for the most part.

i'm done with low level pvp man

Please remove me from that list. Thank you.

As for someone who has been queueing close to every single Sunday of all MoP. I can say, at this point, we give it around 15-20 minutes in the qlist then we call it. We no longer see not getting a pop a frustration, because that's how 29's are. It's a summer bracket. Nirise and Nastay are right, June/July seems reasonable. Feel free to recruit more 29's Mocha, we sure need them now more than ever but 29's are something you simply cannot force in this day and age. Best of luck!

-Luplis

P.S. I'll add you via Battletag for Arenas and updates.

 

[willix]

Anyways I feel that personally there is no need to dislike any of the remaining 29s. Sure, you have your reasons and I'm not going to try to persuade anyone to like someone... But personally I've known those guys for years and living force is one of the few remaining 19 community contributors who truly care about the community and don't think selfishly.

im not interested in discussing anyone's likability in this thread but I will say that whether you hate someone or not, an extra spot queuing no matter who that person is, Is a step in the right direction.

We aren't looking for reasons to dislike anyone. In fact, most of us would rather like everyone. However, those two guys are the absolute most unreliable people you can find in this bracket. They refuse to play different classes or different factions to help balance teams or games (they only have the mongoose rogue and a disc priest), IF they even show up for games at all. Most of the time they don't even come play, but when they do, they just derp around mid all game with a terrible Nailspitter hunter, contributing very little in any meaningful way.

The problem isn't that we don't like Tapout and Livingforce. The problem is that they are unbelievably bad at the game despite playing the most OP class combinations, and no one enjoys playing with them. You would have better luck trying to catch a fart in the wind with a fishing net, than trying to coordinate a bracket revival with 'Sugar High.'

Setting all that aside, this bracket needs heavy balancing fixes from the developers, including things like a level 35 restriction on Mongoose, buffs to shaman/warrior/paladin DPS specs, nerfs to prot specs, and nerfs to spriests. People just aren't interested in games where we have to discuss banning things just to have fun.

 

[Livingforce]

We aren't looking for reasons to dislike anyone. In fact, most of us would rather like everyone. However, those two guys are the absolute most unreliable people you can find in this bracket. They refuse to play different classes or different factions to help balance teams or games (they only have the mongoose rogue and a disc priest), IF they even show up for games at all. Most of the time they don't even come play, but when they do, they just derp around mid all game with a terrible Nailspitter hunter, contributing very little in any meaningful way.

The problem isn't that we don't like Tapout and Livingforce. The problem is that they are unbelievably bad at the game despite playing the most OP class combinations, and no one enjoys playing with them. You would have better luck trying to catch a fart in the wind with a fishing net, than trying to coordinate a bracket revival with 'Sugar High.'

Setting all that aside, this bracket needs heavy balancing fixes from the developers, including things like a level 35 restriction on Mongoose, buffs to shaman/warrior/paladin DPS specs, nerfs to prot specs, and nerfs to spriests. People just aren't interested in games where we have to discuss banning things just to have fun.

Willy, you don't know anything, your just a mean person. And you think we can't make games cause we don't care or don't want to or something. Have you ever considered that since we live in Australia we have to work when games are happening? And im pretty sure not as many people hate us as you think. I could have of alot of people vouch for that. But i don't go and bag people in vent/ti just cause i don't like them.

Priest is the class i always played through thick and thin. Its just what i like, so im a bad person for not playing anything else. If that what a bad person means than i am one.

You do not make yourself look like a good person by bagging other people who you think are terrible/mean people when everyone doesn't think the same.

 

[Domperignon]

hey what happened to your shaman willy?

 

[willix]

Willy, you don't know anything, your just a mean person. And you think we can't make games cause we don't care or don't want to or something. Have you ever considered that since we live in Australia we have to work when games are happening? And im pretty sure not as many people hate us as you think. I could have of alot of people vouch for that. But i don't go and bag people in vent/ti just cause i don't like them.

Priest is the class i always played through thick and thin. Its just what i like, so im a bad person for not playing anything else. If that what a bad person means than i am one.

You do not make yourself look like a good person by bagging other people who you think are terrible/mean people when everyone doesn't think the same.

Yes, I'm a mean person. A mean person who's willing to play the underdog team to help them out. A mean person who's willing to avoid playing OP classes and characters to help balance games. A mean person who's consistently shown up for game nights and help foster activity every time we have a revival. A mean person who's spent a lot of time helping other people make characters and get them geared. A mean person who's willing to do far more than either one of you have ever done, or ever will do.

You see being a good person as just showing up randomly for games and derping around on an OP class in an OP comp. I see being a good person as doing things above yourself to help the bracket. Shelve the Priest when Horde has 3 other healers. Shelve the mongoose rogue. Roll some alliance characters to help out when they need it. Show up to games more consistently.

If work or whatever else you do prevents you from playing more often, so be it. You don't get to be flaky players and act like you mean something to this community.

hey what happened to your shaman willy?

Willyshatner @ Dragonmaw - Community - World of Warcraft

 

[Domperignon]

why did you retire your shaman and suddenly switch to balance druid when they turned OP?

 

[Karmaz]

why did you retire your shaman and suddenly switch to balance druid when they turned OP?

Using the same logic, I have a question.

Dom, why did you play a Mongoose Rogue in Cata then switch to a Prot Warrior once they were buffed in 5.2?

 

[soskanky]

Using the same logic, I have a question.

Dom, why did you play a Mongoose Rogue in Cata then switch to a Prot Warrior once they were buffed in 5.2?

Seems like a legit question

 

[soskanky]

I hate defending Willy, but he does play multiple classes/specs/factions in order to balance games

 

[Domperignon]

Using the same logic, I have a question.

Dom, why did you play a Mongoose Rogue in Cata then switch to a Prot Warrior once they were buffed in 5.2?

derpington, I've always played my warrior. remember how your mage got owned prior to the 5.2 buff and you cried in darkshire? and to clear things up, I've rarely played my rogue and I've retired him in cata because of mongoose. you're the fucking idiot and you're not allowed to call people out on OP classes of all people.

 

[Domperignon]

Seems like a legit question

You seem clueless on the subject as derpington so I understand.

 

[willix]

why did you retire your shaman and suddenly switch to balance druid when they turned OP?

I didn't 'retire' any of my 29s.

I've played Willyshatner in at least one game since MoP hit, where I was helping the horde fill out so we could get a pop. I've mostly been playing alliance because they tend to need the help more often than horde. I've played my boomkin when we need DPS, not because it's OP (because frankly, it's middle of the road atm), but because it's a character that I've had for a long time, and one of my favorite 29s. I also have a warlock I've played, a MW monk when we need heals, and a Spriest when we need to counter certain individuals playing things like Mongoose rogues or Prot Wars.

I have a warrior on horde which has yet to see a single game (it's arms, not prot) simply because horde has typically had what it needs to be competitive, and the few games I've played on horde I've preferred the utility of my shaman (+ the lulz factor of annoying my friends on alliance, <3 u guys).

derpington, I've always played my warrior. remember how your mage got owned prior to the 5.2 buff and you cried in darkshire? and to clear things up, I've rarely played my rogue and I've retired him in cata because of mongoose. you're the fucking idiot and you're not allowed to call people out on OP classes of all people.

Prots have stood out as OP dps since 5.0 came out. Patch 5.2 only made things worse. Are you trying to tell us you didn't decide that your prot war would be your preferred 29 to play on in 5.0?

Sure, I play a boomkin, as one of my many classes/specs. I can also spec it for feral, resto, or guardian. I just happen to prefer healing on a monk atm, ranged DPS over melee, and I don't think guardian druid is something I would be good at playing. Of all my 29s, my druid happens to have the biggest selection of gear (with much of it GF'd), probably because that's a character I've always enjoyed playing.

 

[Domperignon]

Prot 29 OP since 5.0 came out.... Ask Buck, Wastedgold, Franchi etc and they will all laugh at you.

 

[Domperignon]

And to those of you that are clueless of 29 wars. Prot was the only viable spec since 5.0. It may have been "OP" as you say starting from 39s since they have all the necessary tools but 29s? Y'all can't be serious.

 

[willix]

Yes, thanks for proving yourself wrong.

 

[Domperignon]

Yes, thanks for proving yourself wrong.

yes you really proved how clueless you are. Haven't even touched your war and talking like you know something.