Incoming Best pvp Expansion yet?

its just too much selfheal in endgame atm. in 19s healclasses will dominate. 1,5 sec cast heal crits for 2k from the most classes. i just want to see how monks going to be in 19
 
discussing the expansion like it isn't in early beta? you must be insiders at blizzard
 
Uh end game = 19's ?

The monk is also a tank.. Blood DK vs any dps in cata is the same outcome. Ore when does shit like this sound like a good idea in your head :S grinding gears.
 
B e t a
 
You see, if you ask a girl out to the movies after your junior high dance and if she says "Yes"... she is not saying "Yes" to marriage for eternity.

Making such serious accusations of something so early on that is merely in development can lead to two things:

1) Wasted time guessing on something with no fortified evidence in support of any accusations is unhealthy
2) Any possible gain of insight holds no ground whatsoever and can change last minute

-Considering something to be the "best" would depend on being omniscient and thus would rely on knowledge of all possibilities.

-Anything that you may consider now to be true and may become true about this expansion is based on True Belief, not Knowledge.

Therefore, you cannot even begin to consider this to be the "Best" thing until all possibilities are weighed and heavily examined and backed by knowledge instead of True Belief.

This is my proof and reasoning why people should consider to hold off on these serious posts of what will define the next expansion.

Note: Does this mean there is no point observing possibilities and making guesses? No. However, simply put there is no point in doing so whatsoever. Take all of this with whichever size grain of salt you wish.

~~Møçhâ~~

Key Terms:
True Belief
Knowledge
Omniscient
Best (of all possibilities)
 
Mochabad said:
You see, if you ask a girl out to the movies after your junior high dance and if she says "Yes"... she is not saying "Yes" to marriage for eternity.

Making such serious accusations of something so early on that is merely in development can lead to two things:

1) Wasted time guessing on something with no fortified evidence in support of any accusations is unhealthy
2) Any possible gain of insight holds no ground whatsoever and can change last minute

-Considering something to be the "best" would depend on being omniscient and thus would rely on knowledge of all possibilities.

-Anything that you may consider now to be true and may become true about this expansion is based on True Belief, not Knowledge.

Therefore, you cannot even begin to consider this to be the "Best" thing until all possibilities are weighed and heavily examined and backed by knowledge instead of True Belief.

This is my proof and reasoning why people should consider to hold off on these serious posts of what will define the next expansion.

Note: Does this mean there is no point observing possibilities and making guesses? No. However, simply put there is no point in doing so whatsoever. Take all of this with whichever size grain of salt you wish.

~~Møçhâ~~

Key Terms:
True Belief
Knowledge
Omniscient
Best (of all possibilities)
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Wow, what an huge waste of time.
 
danny glover said:
Not finished yet, I'm breaking the reading up into chunks.
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i may just dl it on my kindle.. would make for good bathroom reading

edit: pm from mocha

Mochabad said:
Seeing both of you complain about having difficulties in reading my "lengthy" responses supports the idea that you both actually value my posts. At least enough to struggle your way through them. No one is forcing you to read anything on these forums.
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Mass said:
Uh end game = 19's ?

The monk is also a tank.. Blood DK vs any dps in cata is the same outcome. Ore when does shit like this sound like a good idea in your head :S grinding gears.
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I wonder if he remembers he's from Lethal Synergy, irony being how did that decision sound like a good idea in anyones head... Ultimate headache(r)
 
inc rerail

IMO, MoP will be the best* twink expansion because of +30% baseline resil and the changes to abilities learned. This alone makes 19/etc. twinking so much better. Longer fights = more action/'fun' = more skillbased play, rather than luckbased ("woot, i crit for hp bar"). Worst case scenario: healer become unkillable, but even then they will still die as long as offence has competent healers and dps.

From the looks of it (and I highly doubt that Blizzard will revert a majority of what has been done), there will be many more viable classes/specs/builds in MoP. Boomkins (disengage, moonkin), Rshaman (tons of things), Warriors (charge), Mages (things for different specs), and Warlocks (30% resil + utility) will be far more viable than they are in Cata. Warlocks might even be mandatory for the +STA buff (now 10%, meaning 13-20 stamina, priests get at 22 atm). Not to mention UA will be necessary assuming Rshaman will have dispel at 19.In turn, it looks like hunters will be toned down with the loss of +25 AGI enchant + statstick, +15% Stam, and *hopefully* concussive shot stays out of 19s. No arcane shot means less damage in many situations.

tl;dr: things don't die as fast, classes are much, much closer in terms of utility (damage, healing, control) than before. I have high hopes, and I hope that Blizzard doesn't screw it up
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*best meaning most enjoyable + competetive
 
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