Best Geared 10s
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DeLindsay
10s4Lyf
Alright Bank, I'm not arguing that your toon isn't reasonably BiS but as the accurate definition of the term, you are NOT fully 100% BiS as at a minimum you don't have the helm resist (which is a BiS enchant for that item slot). I do however consider your toon reasonably BiS for Ret as we would have to define BiS by class/spec not just class. Bamfcow is also not BiS for the same reason and IMHO FCer has much better gear in that his avoidance as a Prot Warrior is FAAR higher than Bamfcow (though doesn't have all the GF'd gear), but as it is Bamfcow is very close to BiS and could be on the list at maybe #2 for Prot Warriors. The same could be said for Ioerror, he doesn't have the Ally boots or Helm resist, both which are BiS, I do however consider him reasonably BiS. So to the OP, I guess our question is define BiS.
There are toons with the Helm resist but on a sub-par helm and maybe don't have much else for GF'd gear. There are toons with 100% GF'd gear from pre-cata + pre-shattering + post shattering but are missing the helm resist or a few cross Factions pcs. There isn't ONE level 10 with EVERYTHING (which was my point) so we have to use a "reasonable" chart of whom has the most/best of the BiS gear from the past year and a half to make a list of each class/spec. Of what I have seen and read on this thread I'd say these are "reasonable":
Ret Pally = Bank
Prot Pally = ?
Holy Pally = ?
Prot Warrior = FCer (Bamfcow close second)
DPS Warrior = ?
Hunter = Ioerror
Rogue = ?
Priest = ? (would there even be a seperate Disc/Holy - Shadow?)
Mage = ?
Lock = ?
Feral Druid = Headstrong?
Resto Druid = ? (Resto because Balance sucks, huge hits but long ass cast times)
Resto Shaman = ? (dunno if Ele or Enh are even any good at 10)
If we were to put some kind of community voting system into place to nominate certain toons we could maybe narrow the list down, but the OP may not be that specific in his request.
There are toons with the Helm resist but on a sub-par helm and maybe don't have much else for GF'd gear. There are toons with 100% GF'd gear from pre-cata + pre-shattering + post shattering but are missing the helm resist or a few cross Factions pcs. There isn't ONE level 10 with EVERYTHING (which was my point) so we have to use a "reasonable" chart of whom has the most/best of the BiS gear from the past year and a half to make a list of each class/spec. Of what I have seen and read on this thread I'd say these are "reasonable":
Ret Pally = Bank
Prot Pally = ?
Holy Pally = ?
Prot Warrior = FCer (Bamfcow close second)
DPS Warrior = ?
Hunter = Ioerror
Rogue = ?
Priest = ? (would there even be a seperate Disc/Holy - Shadow?)
Mage = ?
Lock = ?
Feral Druid = Headstrong?
Resto Druid = ? (Resto because Balance sucks, huge hits but long ass cast times)
Resto Shaman = ? (dunno if Ele or Enh are even any good at 10)
If we were to put some kind of community voting system into place to nominate certain toons we could maybe narrow the list down, but the OP may not be that specific in his request.
Bankbeauty
OG
Bamfcow is BiS. For health set, YOU CANNOT GET BETTER GEAR. That is BiS.
You are wrong here. Tell me.
Is Pizza BiS or not? We would all agree that Pizza is a BiS hunter level 19. With every piece you can probably get. yet he doesn't have resist helm, does that mean he isn't bis? Nope.
He is BiS.
You cannot drop-call BiS because someone doesn't have resist helm. Under 0,1% of the twink community has it. That would mean 99,9% aren't BiS.
Those enchants aren't considered in the BiS matter.
And my term of BiS, is Best In Slot. Obviously, my head isn't BiS, but since NO ONE else has is, then it's BiS.
You cannot go out and say, everyone isn't BiS, because no one has the resist enchant. That's obvious.
No one using 2handers is BiS, appart form me, because I glitched the Dwarven Tree Chopper. That would make no sense.
Btw Fcer isn't BiS, and calling Bamf second on that is a shame. He doesn't have Stone Guard Greaves nor +3Stam gloves, nor does he have +12 Dodge on cloak.
Ioe has the 3/3/3 Ally Boots.
DeLindsay
10s4Lyf
You completely ignore the fact that I said "REASONABLY" BiS as nobody has 100% of everything we have to define what we mean by BiS for the 10's community and I even said I consider YOU to be BiS Ret Pally. And I'm not degrading Bamfcow in any way, FCer's avoidance as a Prot Warrior is beyond superior to Bamfcow, for HP, yes Bamfcow has some damn nice gear. But if you're going to break it down further then the list is going to get absurdly long. You seem to want to have Prot Warrior HP set, Prot Warrior Avoidance set (physical dmg), Prot Warrior avoidance set (magic dmg), Prot Warrior highest threat/dps set, etc. You're getting into semantics here.
If Ioerror has the ally boots, then why would he wear the inferior (but best pre-cata GF'd piece) Rambling Boots? I also said that I consider HIM to be BiS even without those boots or the helm resist.
It simply doesn't matter what your understanding of BiS is because by definition it means the best possible item for every single slot including enchants/embossments no matter how rare or difficult to obtain. Since the vast majority of the 10's community don't have the helm resist then by that definition none are 100% BiS so "reasonably" BiS or "closest to" BiS is what we have to work with. But to argue there is nothing better that you personally (your pally, bank) can get or could have gotten you are mistaken since you could have gotten the helm resist. You are however, the best of what we have in the 10's community for Ret Pally, which is why I said you are BiS for Ret Pally since we don't have a Ret Pally with all of your gear AND the resist to helm.
If Ioerror has the ally boots, then why would he wear the inferior (but best pre-cata GF'd piece) Rambling Boots? I also said that I consider HIM to be BiS even without those boots or the helm resist.
It simply doesn't matter what your understanding of BiS is because by definition it means the best possible item for every single slot including enchants/embossments no matter how rare or difficult to obtain. Since the vast majority of the 10's community don't have the helm resist then by that definition none are 100% BiS so "reasonably" BiS or "closest to" BiS is what we have to work with. But to argue there is nothing better that you personally (your pally, bank) can get or could have gotten you are mistaken since you could have gotten the helm resist. You are however, the best of what we have in the 10's community for Ret Pally, which is why I said you are BiS for Ret Pally since we don't have a Ret Pally with all of your gear AND the resist to helm.
Bankbeauty
OG
He was showing us his GF gear yesterdya, and maybe because he has stam or minor speed on the blue boots instead of +7agi, making rambling max AP set.
Btw, I'm not saying make best avoidance, best hp etc. It's just that Bamf has BiS gear for Stamina FC, and has all the gear for a full avoidance set too. But it's just cool to see 1700hp.
DeLindsay
10s4Lyf
Oh I agree 100% 1700+ hp at 10 unbuffed is insane. And yes, it's possible that Ioerror puts run speed on the superior 3/3/3 boots which would make sense. Like I said, I agree with you that you are BiS Ret Pally, that Ioerror is BiS Hunter but am still on the fence for Bamfcow as BiS (other than huge HP set which is incredible) over FCer which has amazing avoidance gear. I guess it all comes down to personal preference and personal definition of BiS since most of us (probably all of us) carry multiple items enchanted differently to meet the need of the situation and switch as necessary.
Joomla
Legend
Theirs best in slot and theirs "**** you've played forever" once a peice of gear it's no longer obtainable so how does that make it BiS,it doesn't I consider my warrior bis because I have all current BiS so if we want to get technical I'm CBIS however I would also call someone CBIS if they had GF'd gear equipped
DeLindsay
10s4Lyf
You also make a good point, defining BiS also has to come down to what gear is available or not. Do we consider GF'd gear on that list (the OP did ask for BiS WITH GF'd gear), if so all of it, just some of it, pre-cata, pre-shattering, etc. In my opinion it would cover everything that was ever available in game and if that toon was still active they would fall into the category of "**** you've played forever" BiS.
Bankbeauty
OG
It's settled! There are now 2 classes of BiS, CBIS:A toon having all available BIS gear with some or no GF'd gear, " **** you've played forever" BIS a toon having EVERY GF'd item as well as all CBIS gear "if no grandfatherd upgrade" so sorry bank but your in the 99 percentile
I did not understand this one.
Only one BiS exist. Best In Slot.
bamfcow
Legend
why am i being argued over??? lol i quit didnt i? this means i should be out of the question.
but i do have bis in FC , and avoid set as well... i just dont wear avoid to log out in so youll never see it
keep me posted on activity and if anything ever changes... im curious about the next xpack.
p.s. am i the ONLY person in game who still has oldschool gemmed copper gauntlets of the bear i been meaning to see if anyone still have these
i found like 8 of em a few months ago and got super excited.
but i do have bis in FC , and avoid set as well... i just dont wear avoid to log out in so youll never see it
keep me posted on activity and if anything ever changes... im curious about the next xpack.
p.s. am i the ONLY person in game who still has oldschool gemmed copper gauntlets of the bear i been meaning to see if anyone still have these
Bankbeauty
OG
why am i being argued over??? lol i quit didnt i? this means i should be out of the question.
but i do have bis in FC , and avoid set as well... i just dont wear avoid to log out in so youll never see it
keep me posted on activity and if anything ever changes... im curious about the next xpack.
p.s. am i the ONLY person in game who still has oldschool gemmed copper gauntlets of the bear i been meaning to see if anyone still have thesei found like 8 of em a few months ago and got super excited.
that.
threesets
Beats on Fourteens
no offense to mcer, but gringotts, you say he has amazing avoidance gear. however the only avoidance gear mcer has is the tank boas, the blocking shield, and maybe a dodge leather belt. I do not see any of these being amazing, considering it is only like 2 pieces of gear, that many people have.
Also, idk if any lock/ mage can be considered bis with the avaliable gear, because idk if anybody has coppercloth on one of those 2 classes. I am in the beginning stages of making a lokc with the gloves now, and should be done within the next 2 weeks. So there probally will not be a bis mage or lock, until i level and gear mine.
Also, idk if any lock/ mage can be considered bis with the avaliable gear, because idk if anybody has coppercloth on one of those 2 classes. I am in the beginning stages of making a lokc with the gloves now, and should be done within the next 2 weeks. So there probally will not be a bis mage or lock, until i level and gear mine.
Bankbeauty
OG
Considering the fact that newly made caster will never get a hand on Minor Channeling Ring...