What do you consider GY Farming?

[Mrcer]

I can gaurantee that no matter what you do people will care and complain and whine like little *******. The important question is what do you think. What other people think isn't important, especially when you consider that regardless of what you personally think, someone will disagree with you.

I can agree with some of this. But I would like to know what other people(other than myself) think. It doesnt hurt to ask. If you asked me what i thought, well I honestly dont give a rats ass if 9/10 of my teammates are gy farming while i cap the flag. But No one wants to be the **** of the week for doing that. F2P bracket is supposed to be fun and aerie peak doesnt need to have a bad name(if any already). I dont want to be the one sending ppl to camp gy if ppl are gonna cry bout it on forums.





Basically this is my goal: How can I control the other team as close as I can to gy, while I cap the flag, without it being considered gy camping in their eyes. I want to know what other ppl think the "line" is between "Hey your gy farming" or "man they are controling us" Not both.

 

[Kearbear]

in your personal opinion, would you think others would care if you were playing objectively(IE: getting the flag) while the other team cant even get out of the GY because ur teammates are keeping them from leaving GY?

Which others? Like the other team?



To be honest if others are the other team they probably either: a) don't care at all because they're preoccupied with being camped, b ) are still trying to win and care but are unable to act because of (a) or c) want me to cap faster so they can reroll teams and get out of this lousy game.



If the others are on my team they either don't care at all or would like me to stop capping so they can farm some more.



However in my case I don't go by what other people think, either on my team or the other team. I try to win for this simple reason: being up means nothing, as long as there's enough time on the clock you can still lose. When someone's getting camped they tend to lose players, and you never know who's going to roll in. I have been on both sides of 2-0 games that became 3-2 games because of camping instead of going for the win, and for that reason I always try to end it as fast as possible.



Edit: unintended emote o.0

 

[Mrcer]

I appreciate those responses from you. I usually tell others when we're premading to not gy farm, but to control midfield(IE: So that the FC can get across midfield with ease). But a lot of the times they get super close to the gy(similar to where they are in the picture). I'd hate to see myself being proclaimed as someone who encourages gy farming when it was not my intention. So I was just being cautious that's all haha.

 

[Aradiel]

Okay, well pretty much every AP premade I have seen results in several /AFKs from the other side, my own included. Generally people don't want to go against an organised group that has heals and works together effectively. Whether you're smashing people in mid or smashing them at the GY, they won't like it, and there's nothing you can do about that. From what I can tell it's not hateful /bg chat, it's just that no one wants to get stomped with zero chance of doing anything.

 

[Kearbear]

I appreciate those responses from you. I usually tell others when we're premading to not gy farm, but to control midfield(IE: So that the FC can get across midfield with ease). But a lot of the times they get super close to the gy(similar to where they are in the picture). I'd hate to see myself being proclaimed as someone who encourages gy farming when it was not my intention. So I was just being cautious that's all haha.

If they do don't worry about it, just the fact that you're concerned at all is farther than most would go. Most teams will not begrudge a little camping if the game ends fast, most of the bad feelings happen when the camping team delay's the game's end. Of course some people will rage at you just because you're winning, when they should be looking at what was wrong with their own team. Lets face it, when your team is getting farmed at the place where you come back every 30 seconds with full health/mana and you're not even facing all 10 of the other team, there is something wrong.



Happy to help.

 

[Mrcer]

Okay, well pretty much every AP premade I have seen results in several /AFKs from the other side, my own included. Generally people don't want to go against an organised group that has heals and works together effectively. Whether you're smashing people in mid or smashing them at the GY, they won't like it, and there's nothing you can do about that. From what I can tell it's not hateful /bg chat, it's just that no one wants to get stomped with zero chance of doing anything.

No one likes to play against a premade, but in a bracket full of people who play FOTM classes and in most games you end up playing against 24s; sometimes all you can do is resort to premading. This bracket has plenty of different types of hate. Hate for 24s. Hate for FOTM classes. and of course, Hate for Premading.



If you cant beat them, you join them.

 

[Debacle]

Some of the others have already shared the same sentiments, thought I'd just add my own words.



The key word is farming to me. Getting killed in your GY by the other team while others on that team are actively getting and capturing flags isn't farming, it's just a strategy to win. The more enemies that are stuck in the GY, the fewer enemies there are to take your flag and fewer enemies that can go after my team's FC while its running flags.





In my opinion, farming begins when the team isn't trying to finish the game and instead wants to prolong it in order to get more kills and honor, or whatever other reason there is.



In a game, I'll do what I think will help my team win (barring something unfair like exploiting), so I'll kill people outside their graveyard as long as flags are getting capped if that is what will help. But I'll back off when someone on my team starts holding the flag. Or if people stop going for the flags, then I will go try to do it myself.



Yeah, it sucks when you're the one in the GY getting killed over and over. If that's me and I've been there long enough that I have given up on my team's ability to break out, I'll afk out if I don't want to waste my time or I'll suck it up and hope my next team is better.



Just the way it is to me.

 

[Aradiel]

I'm not saying don't premade, I'm just saying don't expect random people to like playing against you. Like I said, I haven't seen any hateful /bg chat going up against it, more along the lines of what happens with Spirestone or Area 52. People just leave or stay, but don't like it.

 

[Mrcer]

Some of the others have already shared the same sentiments, thought I'd just add my own words.



The key word is farming to me. Getting killed in your GY by the other team while others on that team are actively getting and capturing flags isn't farming, it's just a strategy to win. The more enemies that are stuck in the GY, the fewer enemies there are to take your flag and fewer enemies that can go after my team's FC while its running flags.





In my opinion, farming begins when the team isn't trying to finish the game and instead wants to prolong it in order to get more kills and honor, or whatever other reason there is.



In a game, I'll do what I think will help my team win (barring something unfair like exploiting), so I'll kill people outside their graveyard as long as flags are getting capped if that is what will help. But I'll back off when someone on my team starts holding the flag. Or if people stop going for the flags, then I will go try to do it myself.



Yeah, it sucks when you're the one in the GY getting killed over and over. If that's me and I've been there long enough that I have given up on my team's ability to break out, I'll afk out if I don't want to waste my time or I'll suck it up and hope my next team is better.



Just the way it is to me.

I appreciate that response. That's the kind of answer I was hoping to get(more or less)

 

[DeLindsay]

IMHO farming mid field is fair game as the players have had time to rez, eat/drink, buff, etc and get a mental game plan for the upcoming suck fest mid field. GY "camping" is where you stand AT or very near the GY and kill anyone within an instant of spawning, while they're unbuffed, unprepared, SOLO, etc. I don't agree with GY camping (though I have done it before, especially in WG back in WotLK, but that was at max level where most had similar gear.

 

[Mrcer]

IMHO farming mid field is fair game as the players have had time to rez, eat/drink, buff, etc and get a mental game plan for the upcoming suck fest mid field. GY "camping" is where you stand AT or very near the GY and kill anyone within an instant of spawning, while they're unbuffed, unprepared, SOLO, etc. I don't agree with GY camping (though I have done it before, especially in WG back in WotLK, but that was at max level where most had similar gear.

I agree, which is why I try to not encourage it. Even tho it doesnt bother me too much if it happens anyways.

 

[Tooh87]

IMO it's GY farming when it's right at the GY and the small field around it. I don't consider it so much when passed the road on either side, but can be applicable sometimes as well.



Edit: Either side referring to H/A.

 

[lokah]

I have a question. Do you think graveyard farming has increased ever since they remade the graveyards or decreased?

 

[Mrcer]

It make it easier to GY Farm, and got rid of my favorite Terrian jump.



Hate it hate it hate it

 

[kablam]

as long as you're capping flags its not farming. people can ***** all they want but thats what it comes down to. holding at gy is a viable strat

 

[Druiddroid]

I'll give you a simple yes or no question.



Look at this picture:

If horde players were behind this imaginary black line, would you or anyone else consider that gy farming/camping? Yes or no.

Maybe. Depends where horde FC is taking the flag



if you are speaking in absolutes where camping is equal to killing below the GY no matter what, then camping isn't inherently immoral

 

[Will]

It's a trick question. Let's start with the definition of farming, since the term is so loosely tossed around on these forums;



Farming is rendering the opposing team unable to complete the battleground objective for the soul purpose of getting honorable kills. This picture is a very flawed misrepresentation of anything that could be considered farming. If there is a large concentrated group of Horde killing alliance and not attempting the objectives, that's farming, this can take place anywhere on the map and doesn't need to be divided into subdivisions unless you're describing where the action is taking place within the current game.



People who actively farm, not only camp the main spawning area, but chase anyone who exit it. Your picture that you drew up is actually a more effective form of farming, because it leaves the opposing team within the sight of all of your team members with the given formation. If someone tries to hug the west wall, you can see them. If someone tries to make it to the tunnel, you can see them. You can actively remove any remote chances of non-stealth and unlucky players from reaching areas of the battle map that would give them a viable chance at winning.



So the answer is, judging from that picture, is that not farming? Who kows? We don't know unless we were in that game. You can't judge whether this picture is farming or not, because farming isn't based on where players are located on a map. It's like showing someone a picture of two cars that come too close together and asking whether or not it's a car crash. Farming is an action, and unless we can see it happening, we have no idea. You can look at Cer's picture and say, "Oh, horde are farming GY" or "Oh, Horde exited GY with the flag and Alliance are back spawning" it's just bad logic.



edit:



when I first posted it was pretty much word vomit, cleaned up the post for an easier read.

 

[Arknoodle]

Will, while I agree with everything you say, the OP isn't asking if it's farming or not he's asking if others consider the line on the picture he's provided us with accuretly represents when GY farming becomes MID's farming.



Like I said I agree with you farming is farming, however there are different type's and locations and that is the point of the OP's topic not whether it is or is not farming

Thanks!

 

[Will]

It was just hard to pin point what exactly the topic was about so that's why I covered all my bases.

 

[Grunge]

There's no such thing as GY farming anymore.



When warsong had no time limit and people could hold the game indefitely, and guilds would group up 10 twinks vs. 5 twinks/5randoms, THAT was a problem.



With a 20 minute timer, in this age of twinking, if you're not queing with a group you can talk to and your team is SO POOR at communicating that you can't group up to get out of gy, you should probably take a week off an really think about wether you really want to continue playing this game.