It may be a fluke, but https://www.wowhead.com/quest=48527/ravenous-landsharks trinket proc'd ilv 37 on the PTR.
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cletus
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I'm really not excited for Midnight at all. It's likely less than 2 months before it launches. The PTR should really be in a better state than it is now. I fully expect it to launch broken and we'll be spending half the expansion just fixing things. Don't be surprised if it launches and things like trinkets being min level 20 aren't fixed yet.
But TWW was a series of changes, all of which were (IMHO) negative. TW in DF was in a good state. But then we had the sudden and kneejerk tank changes in the prepatch, opening up TW to level 10s despite the warnings of problems it was going to create, 70-80 scaling just being awful, making TW "harder" which just means "more annoying" and "takes longer for no extra gain", nerfing the TW weekly quest and ultimately nerfing twinks in TW.
If you've been in a group of all 73-79s in TW, it feels awful. And I don't expect Midnight to be any better.
The talent changes are going to kill the viability of certain classes in twinking. We still have no idea whta the gearing changes will do. I wouldn't be surprised if the TW twink scaling changes broaden to non-TW dungeons.
We've obviously gone through this before. DF twink BIS was WoD Warforged dungeon loot and it was nerfed into irrelevance. I kinda expect TW and dungeon gear to be nerfed in Midnight. There'll probably be a new meta but it seems like Blizzard is determined by nerf twinks into irrelevance by doing everything but fixing the broken scaling.
Is this just me? It just seems like we're all in for a bad time with Midnight. If I could go back in time, I wouldn't have preordered TWW. This time around I haven't preordered Midnight and I've seen nothing that makes me want to buyit.
But TWW was a series of changes, all of which were (IMHO) negative. TW in DF was in a good state. But then we had the sudden and kneejerk tank changes in the prepatch, opening up TW to level 10s despite the warnings of problems it was going to create, 70-80 scaling just being awful, making TW "harder" which just means "more annoying" and "takes longer for no extra gain", nerfing the TW weekly quest and ultimately nerfing twinks in TW.
If you've been in a group of all 73-79s in TW, it feels awful. And I don't expect Midnight to be any better.
The talent changes are going to kill the viability of certain classes in twinking. We still have no idea whta the gearing changes will do. I wouldn't be surprised if the TW twink scaling changes broaden to non-TW dungeons.
We've obviously gone through this before. DF twink BIS was WoD Warforged dungeon loot and it was nerfed into irrelevance. I kinda expect TW and dungeon gear to be nerfed in Midnight. There'll probably be a new meta but it seems like Blizzard is determined by nerf twinks into irrelevance by doing everything but fixing the broken scaling.
Is this just me? It just seems like we're all in for a bad time with Midnight. If I could go back in time, I wouldn't have preordered TWW. This time around I haven't preordered Midnight and I've seen nothing that makes me want to buyit.
Its not two months. These changes go live in three weeks, which is more like two since we are still in the holiday season where there wont be much work getting done.
Things absolutely should be in a better state by now for proper testing. Instead its like they ran an AI to do the rescsaling then never bothered to check the work and called it a day. I personally have been playing more at the moment to clear out things I wanted to do as I see nothing positive for this level range coming up.
We aren't getting any new content since they just modified leveling in 11.2.7. They won't touch it again for a while, so no TWW content for us. Proving grounds requires 30+, so we can't do that either. The only things to "look forward to" are whatever state scaling is launched in and possibly the new method for capturing battle pets without a pet battle. Though I haven't heard if that will work for pre Midnight pets and it could still be blocked for non subs.
There will probably be a free weekend coming up during the prepatch, so thats worth watching for to move stuff around and clear out old characters. Beyond that my gut tells me this will be an expansion where I'll be playing a lot more of my neglected other games instead.
Noinlol
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Mabe not a fluke : ) I previously quested threw BFA, i only kept the trinkets, on the PTR the ilvl of some of the trinkets is 37(They may have upgraded i cant remember). while the ilvl of other BFA trinkets is 20. perhaps the BFA gear can be ilvl 37. But as you can see the trinkets aren't anything special, just drawing attention to the fact that some BFA/legion stuff on PTR is ilvl 37, needs investigating : ) Some Legion Trinkets are also ilvl 37.
https://www.wowhead.com/item=132963/young-drakes-impulse
https://www.wowhead.com/item=159077/tickers-spare-catalyst
https://www.wowhead.com/item=159763/idol-of-voljamba
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Wait, what are those +3 strength gems via honor?
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I mean, I am but I also cant control myself lol.
You would think so lol, it is a complete mess atm for for sure.
But a new xpac is a chance to play enw things and find new broken stuff so I am here for it.
I should have fixed that better, the +3 gems from the chance from the Northrend fishing stayed unchanged, the honor ones for agility and intellect for example dropped down one stat point but the str stayed unchanged on the PTR.
As all the other primary gems dropped in points, I was afraid the Str one would also get dropped lower, but that did not appear to happen on the PTR.
I am still testing the Shadowlands gems, the speed definitely dropped but I still seeing what the health one is doing as it seems with the higher PTR stamina the proc seemed to not be repeating like previously regardless of health.
Looks like at least for PVE, the cogwheel gear - Mists or Cata goggles and ghost iron dragonling are ilvl 18 but providing +10 stats so not to far from the ilvl of the other pieces which prior to Shadowlands where on twinks but where around ilvl 29 (with the relic of the past 1) compared vs ilvl 89 than the ilvl 96 of the other pieces so kind of lost in the mix.
This IMO makes Northend Jewelcrafting a viable twink option again versus taking Inscription to increase the primary stat across the board, to make the ilvl 18 double socket trinket that require keeping Northend JC @ 25 plus keeping the Ghost Iron Dragonling.
For example: Figurine - Emerald Boar giving for agility based characters +11 agility on the PTR, give +5 agility or strength before gemmed. Kind of makes up for losing the two-socket belts on most classes. but as we are mostly losing the three-socket pants on most classes it will be a interesting grind until future patching that may open TWW or such.
With the Shadowmight Ring being ilvl 18 is one choice for double sockets so in theory replacing the belt with the ring and the northrend trinket kind of ease up those missing pieces.
Currently with the ring, ghost iron dragonling and mists (or cata) goggles as example the averaged ilvl with the rest for my gear was ilvl 23. So around 3 points from the average max of ilvl 26 using all the previous ilvl 96 gear, unless one finds a way to use or get the ilvl 33-37 pieces that stayed around their ilvl on the PTR.
Granted one should keep all their current gear, in case like with this PTR/[re-release patching that having the older twink pieces become options again.
This IMO makes Northend Jewelcrafting a viable twink option again versus taking Inscription to increase the primary stat across the board, to make the ilvl 18 double socket trinket that require keeping Northend JC @ 25 plus keeping the Ghost Iron Dragonling.
For example: Figurine - Emerald Boar giving for agility based characters +11 agility on the PTR, give +5 agility or strength before gemmed. Kind of makes up for losing the two-socket belts on most classes. but as we are mostly losing the three-socket pants on most classes it will be a interesting grind until future patching that may open TWW or such.
With the Shadowmight Ring being ilvl 18 is one choice for double sockets so in theory replacing the belt with the ring and the northrend trinket kind of ease up those missing pieces.
Currently with the ring, ghost iron dragonling and mists (or cata) goggles as example the averaged ilvl with the rest for my gear was ilvl 23. So around 3 points from the average max of ilvl 26 using all the previous ilvl 96 gear, unless one finds a way to use or get the ilvl 33-37 pieces that stayed around their ilvl on the PTR.
Granted one should keep all their current gear, in case like with this PTR/[re-release patching that having the older twink pieces become options again.
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So some questions:
My original plan was to keep my warrior at 11 until Midnight then go to 20 once all the changes and fixes settled, but if they are doing away with the 3 socket necklaces, should I rush and get to 20 and get that or will the squish make it obsolete anyway?
.....are we implying that crafted items are on the menu? Because I have ideas....
My original plan was to keep my warrior at 11 until Midnight then go to 20 once all the changes and fixes settled, but if they are doing away with the 3 socket necklaces, should I rush and get to 20 and get that or will the squish make it obsolete anyway?
.....are we implying that crafted items are on the menu? Because I have ideas....
If you want a three socket necklace, do it in the next three weeks cause the most you might be able to do after that is two. Which even then we cant be sure about. TWW zones will remain high level, so the socket items for them might no longer work on anything in our level range.
Personally I would like to see some crafted stuff be viable again beyond just the dragon trinket. If its just 5 ilvls theres a chance some of it might, but we wont know for sure until they fully implement scaling for low levels.
I noticed the picture and it had a level 60 requirement on the ilvl23 ring, will that happen to the neck too?
looking at vids on prepatch, on a mouse over on gear i saw on a 80 items were in 113 to 134. also player that had millions HP was chopped to 90K
i find it ironic that blizz did such a insane hyper inflation, a player in game told me to watch the loot high levels get, told me two players got same bracers. one 79 player stam on item was at 4K and the 80 player item stam was 29K along with ability to upgrade 6 levels. imo this makes no sense. i have seen this doing TW
i did not know it was this bad until recently, surprised there was no push back. this is beyond the 300% gear buff in legion after the BFA squish and 600% rise after that in DF
from pics of items above, it appears stats are not being lowered for us, so the items level drop will not affect us. of course ganking gem gear and gems for those who farmed them will hurt
some of my MOP BOAs have gems, without the gems they become rather worthless again
i find it ironic that blizz did such a insane hyper inflation, a player in game told me to watch the loot high levels get, told me two players got same bracers. one 79 player stam on item was at 4K and the 80 player item stam was 29K along with ability to upgrade 6 levels. imo this makes no sense. i have seen this doing TW
i did not know it was this bad until recently, surprised there was no push back. this is beyond the 300% gear buff in legion after the BFA squish and 600% rise after that in DF
from pics of items above, it appears stats are not being lowered for us, so the items level drop will not affect us. of course ganking gem gear and gems for those who farmed them will hurt
some of my MOP BOAs have gems, without the gems they become rather worthless again
The necklace from DF? The Tier Medallion gets disabled in the pre-release patch on January 20th, thus you can not apply the three sockets to a DF necklace like Amnesia after the patch hits. If you have the DF necklace with the three tiers applied then it stays unlocked as ilvl 23, and grandfathered as in you can still use post patch.
The rings are from Shadowlands during the Season Dungeons that the TWW JC item was able to be applied twice on this ring for <= level 20 characters. With the pending pre-release patch, these get raised to requiring level 60 thus not useable post patch, at this time.
What tends to happen is over the tuning phases by the actual release of the expansion over a few months or so, that sometimes things from a previous patch get fixed/changed in reqards to usefulness. But in the case of the Tier Medallion, these were showing up as grey items on the PTR as in not meant to work in Midnight release per se.
So the idea is to grab up the DF necklace and apply the Tier 3 Medallion three times on them prior to the pre-release patch.
Your guess is as good as mine. Required levels for low level items have been busted since beta started. I saw no point theorycrafting stuff since at some point that would get fixed.
Now we inch closer and closer to release and stuff is still broken. I'd assume it will be fixed so low level chars wont log in with half their gear randomly useless, but the closer we get the higher the chance that ends up happening.
Still if you want a neck with sockets do it now cause the item to actually apply the sockets becomes vendor trash on the 20th.
Rahn
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A thought occurred to me in regards to this:
I recall the devs mentioning that they will be simplifying the professions and dropping the quality modifiers (course I might be misremembering).
As such I wonder if the Tiered Medallion Settings still exist, just that the ones with quality have been turned into useless gray items.
Rahn
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RIP!