Blizz rumored to be " Nuking Twinks from orbit " in upcoming TW's

[orcgazmatron]

Looks like 11's are ground zero, but it seems that there will be some scaling tech unfurled, recognizing the potencey of one's gear in relation to thier level.
Players/toons with poor gear will feel 'tankier' while dripping toons will feel 'squishier'. No clue how this will play out, but... maybe it's time for some TW Grey kits?

 

[Grahamdab]

As an Evoker twink, they could 20x mob/boss health and all it would do is allow me to stop holding back so much.

Hell, I might even be able to get through a full rotation on bosses now! As it stands, any boss with less than 6k health dies in a single global, maybe two if I dont crit.

 

[toskosa]

Scalling needs some work for lower levels but punishing players for getting better gear is dumb. What I am expecting is another lazy fix attempt by blizzard tbh.

 

[Chops]

I really fucking hate this kind of shit. Absolute rage bait. "nuke twinks from orbit" lol. Man, its just gonna be a bit slower than lightning speed. Oh no, you had to spend 4 minutes per dungeon instead of 3? NUKED FROM ORBIT! You dipped below 80% on a boss fight? NUKED FROM ORBIT! It took 3 buttons instead of one to kill a boss? NUKED FROM ORBIT!

"people want their gear and set up to matter" no they fucking dont. They want to blast through content at warp speed because FOMO tells them to. They dont want gear to matter AT ALL. Why do you think they roll their 11s instead of 80s?

 

[orcgazmatron]

Scalling needs some work for lower levels but punishing players for getting better gear is dumb. What I am expecting is another lazy fix attempt by blizzard tbh.

Yes, it does & it certainly has needed recalibration. Having no idea how this is going to work ( or NOT work )
I've thought that the simple solution is to raise LFD level back to 15, or exclude lowbie from TW's altogether ( which would really suck )
If this tech works as intended, isn't it punitive for players who took the time to kit themselves out, regardless of level?

I really fucking hate this kind of shit. Absolute rage bait. "nuke twinks from orbit" lol. Man, its just gonna be a bit slower than lightning speed. Oh no, you had to spend 4 minutes per dungeon instead of 3? NUKED FROM ORBIT! You dipped below 80% on a boss fight? NUKED FROM ORBIT! It took 3 buttons instead of one to kill a boss? NUKED FROM ORBIT!

"people want their gear and set up to matter" no they fucking dont. They want to blast through content at warp speed because FOMO tells them to. They dont want gear to matter AT ALL. Why do you think they roll their 11s instead of 80s?

Click-bait for sure; but it' is certainly a shot across the bow at lowbie twinks looking to hyper-level alts, &/or just zerg TW's at break-neck speed.
Warnings ushered were disregarded, & well... here we are.
A few game-breakers have now forced Blizz to break the game against them & the exact thing they were warned not to do.

 

[warrriors193715462]

I really fucking hate this kind of shit. Absolute rage bait. "nuke twinks from orbit" lol. Man, its just gonna be a bit slower than lightning speed. Oh no, you had to spend 4 minutes per dungeon instead of 3? NUKED FROM ORBIT! You dipped below 80% on a boss fight? NUKED FROM ORBIT! It took 3 buttons instead of one to kill a boss? NUKED FROM ORBIT!

"people want their gear and set up to matter" no they fucking dont. They want to blast through content at warp speed because FOMO tells them to. They dont want gear to matter AT ALL. Why do you think they roll their 11s instead of 80s?

From what I tested in BfA timewalking it is pretty much nuked from orbit if your geared with its current iteration. Every elite mob had 2700-4k hp and did maybe 80-100 dmg. The bosses had 43k hp, and nearly two shot my character. A lvl 11 monk that was testing it with me got chunked down within seconds on the boss. I did not test trying to get around it by having low ilvl gear no socket or enchants and only a geared weapon with lifesteal however. Or a proc based character that wouldn't account for it, so that might work to get around it. lvl 20s might fair better but with how drastic the scaling was its probably going to be at least slower.

 

[orcgazmatron]

From what I tested in BfA timewalking it is pretty much nuked from orbit if your geared with its current iteration. Every elite mob had 2700-4k hp and did maybe 80-100 dmg. The bosses had 43k hp, and nearly two shot my character. A lvl 11 monk that was testing it with me got chunked down within seconds on the boss. I did not test trying to get around it by having low ilvl gear no socket or enchants and only a geared weapon with lifesteal however. Or a proc based character that wouldn't account for it, so that might work to get around it. lvl 20s might fair better but with how drastic the scaling was its probably going to be at least slower.

So... TW 'Grey' kits, then...?

 

[coolbank]

in other news water is wet...... i mean are we even surprised they have been nerfing twinks since vanilla

 

[shanker]

if you read the blue text at 1:05 i do not see twinks getting nuked in the first two lines

the third line imo appiles more to high levels, as alot of 10/11s are not even built with max socket gear
gems and enchants at high levels are useless, because they are nerfed to the level of the TW event. blizz put them on a template and scaled to make it harder for higher levels, that already is in the game.

i think going into SL blizz did the nerf to stop high levels during BFA and prior, who built TW twinks, they would use older gear for max sockets. older gems and use older enchants because newer ones were crap. blizzard at one time was scaling up and down gear to match the expac TW event, this started when TW was intro'd during MOP. a 85 in BC thru Cata gear could roll a TQ dungeon with ease. these high level players doing this during MOP is much the same as a 10/11 does not

the problem was there when blizz brought back the mage tower event, a fury war with dual MOP boa's enchanted with crusader (used to not work past level 60) and older gems to blow tthru MT, knocked out all achieves. etc. bellular talked about it in a vid also. someone at blizz in the DEV dept jacked with crusader enchant with like a 7000 heal and full 100 str. was sorta odd that all the key influencers knew

 

[Eleven]

Come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn remix

 

[flux1]

Changes will probably go live, people will complain stuff is too hard, and they will roll back some of it.

 

[warrriors193715462]

if you read the blue text at 1:05 i do not see twinks getting nuked in the first two lines

the third line imo appiles more to high levels, as alot of 10/11s are not even built with max socket gear
gems and enchants at high levels are useless, because they are nerfed to the level of the TW event. blizz put them on a template and scaled to make it harder for higher levels, that already is in the game.

i think going into SL blizz did the nerf to stop high levels during BFA and prior, who built TW twinks, they would use older gear for max sockets. older gems and use older enchants because newer ones were crap. blizzard at one time was scaling up and down gear to match the expac TW event, this started when TW was intro'd during MOP. a 85 in BC thru Cata gear could roll a TQ dungeon with ease. these high level players doing this during MOP is much the same as a 10/11 does not

the problem was there when blizz brought back the mage tower event, a fury war with dual MOP boa's enchanted with crusader (used to not work past level 60) and older gems to blow tthru MT, knocked out all achieves. etc. bellular talked about it in a vid also. someone at blizz in the DEV dept jacked with crusader enchant with like a 7000 heal and full 100 str. was sorta odd that all the key influencers knew

It was everything. ilvl, sockets, and enchants. Enchants had so much increase in scaling that they were probably not worth using anyways as well, but still less than 1 sockets increase.

 

[BANKONE]

So... TW 'Grey' kits, then...?

Unless your ilvl still considers gear that isn’t equipped or otherwise not in void storage?

 

[Chops]

Unless your ilvl still considers gear that isn’t equipped or otherwise not in void storage?

The revenge of Tonys Law

 

[Krater]

Unless your ilvl still considers gear that isn’t equipped or otherwise not in void storage?

blizz never learns...It's just gonna be like in pandaria remix when everyone deleted their jewelry to get their ilvl down below the scaling breakpoints

 

[BANKONE]

Gonna be something weird like the mop vendor stuff at least for 20s is going to be the new bis. Or full green ilvl79s

Or worse. Legion greens.

 

[Coolzo]

Just another stage in the ebb and flow of the game, no reason to panic. Twinks don't necessarily HAVE to one-shot literally everything in every scenario all the time lol.

Based on PTR testing, your gear will still most definitely matter. Less geared toons are tankier relative to their iLvL yes, but they do a lot less damage than well-geared toons... obviously. The survivability gap between 11s and 70s is more noticeable. 11 fury warrior players may find themselves disappointed; you won't be able to tank as a none-tank spec at low levels anymore. A 70 havoc DH took no meaningful damage, on the other hand.

If you like 11, it's time to bust out your bear/brew.

 

[sifukungfu]

I don't get the reasoning behind these drastic changes, 80s only do this for the 5/5 TW weekly cache and even that its not a compelling reward this late in the season.

 

[cletus]

I don't get the reasoning behind these drastic changes, 80s only do this for the 5/5 TW weekly cache and even that its not a compelling reward this late in the season.

With how delves work now, it's not a compelling reward beyond about the first week of the season.

I have an 80 geared completely solo with ilvl in the low 650s. Heroic 4/5 in half my slots. Champion in the rest. I have absolutely no use for a completely random ilvl 636 item. If I was guaranteed to get an uncollected item it would actually be useful.

I pretty much just do 1 dungeon per TW week now for the 500 badge quest, particularly with all the new items added. I used to have ~400k TW badges but am down to ~150k after buying all the new mogs. Oh that was another silly nerf: only 200 TW badges from the 2nd and subsequent first TW dungeon on the same bnet acount. It doesn't hurt people like me who were doing 1 TW dungeon per alt over 50+ toons every TW week to collect badges.

But I digress...

Blizzard really needs to adjust these random rewards, like giving us a choice. Or, if you the achievement to buy Runed crests (meaning you're probably ilvl 650), just give us a token to buy an item.

 

[Chops]

Just another stage in the ebb and flow of the game, no reason to panic. Twinks don't necessarily HAVE to one-shot literally everything in every scenario all the time lol.

Twinks will just go back to being a thing people like to do rather than be a thing some people feel like they have to do to mAxIMiZe mY eFfIcIeNcY