Wintrading and it's countereffect

First of all: don't get me wrong, this isn't a personal attack to anyone who got some achievements lately by wintrading. I think it sad, but that has nothing to do with this post. I'd like to go beyond that point and want to discuss it's effect. I'm not interested in a Sparklystars versus Vapriest fight either. They can discuss their drama elsewhere.

Those who got their achievements, mostly the RBG-ones, probably even use it as title as they know it's one of the hardest achievements out there. They know it will peal people's interest and gets them attention. They got it by an entire night of fighting noone: keep queueing and get free points. Sad part is that they're not the only ones out there. A big bunch of people at Frostwhisper horde have it - together with some Germans, an even bigger group around RNG Gaming got it aswell and after that some randoms and Germans from Destromath got their titles aswell. Let's say it's around 35+ people already who got it this week.

Doing it, queueing and fighting noone, has been discussed a lot already. It's been frowned upon in general, but people seem to be at the point of 'who cares' nowadays. It's not a secret that it's been wintraded either. People like Sparklystars, Razzerz, Sponzorusa, Cyanerd, etc etc openly admit they got their titles by wintrading. Mostly because they know it's kinda impossible to get by legit ways.

Let's say them, I'll exclude Razzerz and Sponzorusa at this point and include players like Yow, are like Europe's core players of the 70 scene. I'm not saying 'best', but core. After the core there's the big 'rest' coming in: all the players with their 2k/2.2k achievements who're not as wellknown as the previous mentioned players. They know the RBG-titles which are currently achieved by some of the core players are not legit; they know people don't care about it anymore that they were achieved on this way. They know people won't frown upon them if they would get it themselves either, because people just don't seem to care anymore.

The countereffect of all of this is that people will do so. Pretty soon a lot of people who're not even known to be skilled - take Sponzorusa for example - will walk around with a R14 title. Since RealID is here, it's pretty easy to form raidgroups now and even more easy if people know it will give free points and noone seems to care anymore if they do so. What's left then? The problem is there's nothing to achieve anymore. Nothing to look up to anymore. People won't care about your or theirachievements, as even so-called scrubs will walk around with 2.2k wintraded titles, R14 wintraded titles, etc. Why get it legit when noone seems to care if you would've gotten it wintraded?

I'm just afraid it will make our bracket uninterested to play in.
 
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Some good points, but I do not think it will change anything.

These people have the mindset that people give a shit and the more attention you give them the better.

Just laugh at them when you see them and walk away. It is beautiful karma, trust me. The entertainment they give is worth them bring around tbh.
 
only people quitting will be the ones wintrading becouse soon they will run out of achievements to wintrade :(
 
Who cares tho? High Warlord is piss easy to obtain at 85 and as 70 you don't get end season titles so even tho you might have 2700 achiev people will know you are bad or mediocre.

It's sometimes painful to watch people obtain stuff easily that you might have worked hard for but at the end of the day it's for your own satisfaction, thinking you actually had to do something and you didn't sit back and get carried.
 
I don't understand what the big fuss is about, i'm not going to troll here and say I didn't wintrade, I think everyone knows the answer to how we got rank 14.

But really,

1. Nobody even queues RBGs and if people queue its either pugs from trade in borean greens or tetarius's russian army that get farmed everytime they queue.

2. 95% of these people who "QQ" about us getting rank 14 are nothing but morons because if they got offered a rank 14 spot they wouldn't turn it down.

3. If nobody queues RBG apart from the odd random team, there's nothing wrong with people wanting their titles.

4. You complain saying we are "killing" "ruining" and basically fucking up the community, this is total bullshit as there is nothing to fuck up if nobody does RBGs anyway.

Stop crying about us wintrading, as it is not going to remove our titles, or give you jelly haters your titles either, so seriously get over yourselves and move on.

I already know you are not going to stop bitching so heres a nice screenshot for you to start another pointless "OMFG WINTRADZORZ" thread.


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I don't understand what the big fuss is about, i'm not going to troll here and say I didn't wintrade, I think everyone knows the answer to how we got rank 14.

But really,

1. Nobody even queues RBGs and if people queue its either pugs from trade in borean greens or tetarius's russian army that get farmed everytime they queue.

2. 95% of these people who "QQ" about us getting rank 14 are nothing but morons because if they got offered a rank 14 spot they wouldn't turn it down.

3. If nobody queues RBG apart from the odd random team, there's nothing wrong with people wanting their titles.

4. You complain saying we are "killing" "ruining" and basically fucking up the community, this is total bullshit as there is nothing to fuck up if nobody does RBGs anyway.

Stop crying about us wintrading, as it is not going to remove our titles, or give you jelly haters your titles either, so seriously get over yourselves and move on.

I already know you are not going to stop bitching so heres a nice screenshot for you to start another pointless "OMFG WINTRADZORZ" thread.


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Your screenshot didn't work, sorry. And no, I'm not 'bitching' about anything. Read again and try to understand what I mean. If there's no queues up, we should try to get queue's up. It's the bracket itself which should try put in some effort to get things going. This topic wasn't meant to be about qq-ing about your way to get R14 either, so stop taking stuff so personally.

It's just that this bracket is now known as one big wintrading-fest, which makes it less interested for new players to hop in.
 
it takes 20 players to wintrade so instead of wintrading you could just go play it fair :) nah you rather take 20 players and go wintrade so stop using "there is no1 queing" as excuse. If you can arrange wintrading you can find teams to que against you.
 
If u have the time and patience to organize 2 raid groups of 10 people to queue into each other for 10 hours during the night, then you really do deserve the Title, even though it means nothing imo. It really requires patience and dedication.
 
If u have the time and patience to organize 2 raid groups of 10 people to queue into each other for 10 hours during the night, then you really do deserve the Title, even though it means nothing imo. It really requires patience and dedication.
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If u have the time and patience to organize 2 raid groups of 10 people to queue into each other for 10 hours during the night, then you really do deserve the Title, even though it means nothing imo. It really requires patience and dedication.

Bet you wintrade too.
 
Bet you wintrade too.

No i don't and have never done. Im just tired of all the hate. i tried once to organize 5v5 wintrade on my paladin, but it took too long so we gave up at around 1500 rating. SO in that way i admire ppl who have the patience to go all out. But i dont wintrade my self.
 
If u have the time and patience to organize 2 raid groups of 10 people to queue into each other for 10 hours during the night, then you really do deserve the Title, even though it means nothing imo. It really requires patience and dedication.

the fact that you can actually get it in one night tells more than enough... its equal to friikking jenkins so why would any1 even use a title like that ? Find it rather sad how some people actually are proud of their wintraded title that took 5 hours to get and use it :D especially people like sponzorusa who are so fucking shit in this game they are stuggling to get 1.6k with their retardly overpowered classes, bis gears and taziks do it :D There is no words to describe what i think about players like that.
 

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