Which 2-hander for ret pally?

jm1607

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I was just reading in a different post a discussion about this, I think it was in the one titled "Warrior/Ret Pally Gear LIST" or something like that..



Anyway, a slow 2-hander seems to be the obvious choice for a warrior, but a ret pally doesn't necessarily need something slow.. So.. besides the Arcanite Reaper, which would be a better choice: Thermaplugg's Arm or Cobalt Crusher? The reason I ask is because everyone seemed to vote for CC, but looking at the 2 it seems that TA has more dmg output, but it wasn't mentioned.. any thoughts?
 
Well theres "DPS" and there's "Avg Hit Damage". The dps value you see on your weapon info doesn't factor in Str or Agility (because its class dependant). So ya.. the dps of pure white damage in a scenario of never missing over a x amount of duration Therma's Left Arm is higher. But that's not likely in pvp and other factors drop into it like hit rating, parry, dodge, armor, yadda yadda yadda. Also you have to look at the extra stats to see what weapon would compliment your gear.. say you need more stam or what not.



Here... math I did on my weapon sheet that I have for personal use. AHD = average damage per hit, both dps and ahd have str factored into it.

Corpsemaker: DPS 31.1 AHD 118.1

Bloodied Arcanite Reaper (29): DPS 30.2 AHD 114.9

Cobalt Crusher: DPS 30.5 AHD 97.5 (110-120FrostProc)

Thermaplugg's Left Arm: DPS 35.2 AHD 94.9
 
the best 2H is actually a stupid white item ... drops some sort of boss... it says it's level 70 and 2 damage per sec, but it works for twinks 29 and it has the highest damage.

but when that bugged weapon will be fixed the best 2H will be the Arcanite Reaper - BOA

If you don;t have a main to farm it... blabla... you should get the real twink axe : Thermplugger left arm ... for retry pala is even better than warrior.

i have it on my warrior and it's the best axe...
 
bloodied arcanite reaver and corpsemaker both have a ~16% higher chance to proc soc with the glyph about 12% without the glyph



with thermapluggs you get 1 extra swing out of about every 3 to the boa and cm. using sylvatics average damage per hit, cm gets 23 more damage per hit on average. take that into account thats roughly 26 more damage per 4 swings with thermapluggs to cms 3. now you have to couple that with the decrease in soc procs and damage the amount you do more with thermapluggs.



thermaplugg has about a 37% chance to proc soc

cm has about a 53%



thermapluggs average soc hit is 42 (based off average weapon damage per hit only)



cms average is about 53 (based off average weapon damage per hit only)



the actually damage between the two is pretty similar except for a couple of things.



how many swings does it take to down your enemy or how long will you be in combat with your enemy? will they end up healing themselves because they can anticipate the damage they are taking better with the faster weapon? healing/potting is key here because i can figure while in combat how many more hits i need to take before potting, bubbling, or any other form of healing/physical damage reduction. the more random the damage the harder it is for me to let my life go lower because of a lucky crit or soc proc.



i could prolly go into more math with this with actually character stats but this should be enough.



also as far as i know that white weapon has a lvl 70 req and now does the proper listed damage as of the last patch
 
swings??? proc what?!

i suggest to put +15 str on the axe anyway, this way you have 100% chance to proc more damage and parry etc...

i use this to. I hit like hell - constant 180 minimum hit in 2,8 sec and 330 crit.
 
don't use corpsemaker dude, it's the worst weapon ever... it has 4 dps less than thermplugger left arm, and it hit so slow that you will never make a killing bow - i mean you have to w8 4 sec... and rogues can hit in like 0.5 sec, warriors can use execute... what will you do? watch how other people finish your enemy and steal you'r killing bow, and you won't be on the first place at damage done
 
i'll be giving some data as soon as my 29 retadin is complete. right now i'm looking favorable upon [item]Cobalt Crusher[/item] because the frost damage proc seems like it would make up for the reduced chance for the other procs to happen.



if not, then [item]Corpsemaker[/item] it is.
 
fuzzles said:
i'll be giving some data as soon as my 29 retadin is complete. right now i'm looking favorable upon [item]Cobalt Crusher[/item] because the frost damage proc seems like it would make up for the reduced chance for the other procs to happen.



if not, then [item]Corpsemaker[/item] it is.
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Cobalt Crusher actually works fine for a ret pala. As good as a Corpsemaker in my experience.
 
i can't say which one is better for a paladin as i never played one before.

but as a 29 warrior i can safely say that Thermapluggs left arms brought me a lot more DPS then what Corpsemaker ever gave me.



so i'd say get both, try it yourself and see for yourself which one is better.

in my view a guy with lefty is twinked and so is a guy with CM !

reguardless it won't change the way i play my hunter.
 
Go for Corpsemaker or BaR. Ignore any comments that say "xx is best for a warrior, so I'd say xx is best for a ret pala". It's not true. Listen to the people who have been talking about SoC's ppm shit. I twinked 29 for 5 weeks with a Corpsemaker, simply because I was too lazy to get a BaR since I knew I'd be moving up to 39 eventually and so BaR would just be wasted emblems.



But yes, seriously, Blooded Arcanite Reaper should be your first choice. However, Corpsemaker is a good enough substitute if you don't have a main on that server.
 
My only concern of ambiguity is that 5 fewer procs of SoC may be a worth sacrifice for 10 procs of [item]Cobalt Crusher[/item]'s frost damage.



So once again, it seems like something that needs to be tested.
 
Corpsemaker by far is better than Thermaplugs or cobalt. Notice all the people doing math all come to the same conclusion, and the bads say "lawl sloow weps are teh sux!"
 
Kazin said:
Corpsemaker by far is better than Thermaplugs or cobalt. Notice all the people doing math all come to the same conclusion, and the bads say "lawl sloow weps are teh sux!"
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I acknowledge the mathematical superiority of Corpsemaker but still a Cobalt Crusher with Fiery enchant works astonishingly well.
 
I'm too lazy to go on WoWHead and about to do some washing up. Does Cobalt Crusher's attack not have an internal cooldown (45s?)? And also, does the proc put a slowing effect on the target (similar to frostbolt)?
 
Retownsyou said:
I'm too lazy to go on WoWHead and about to do some washing up. Does Cobalt Crusher's attack not have an internal cooldown (45s?)? And also, does the proc put a slowing effect on the target (similar to frostbolt)?
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Don't know anything about an internal cooldown. It seems to proc a little over once a minute so it's comparable to Crusader. And you see quite a lot of double, triple and sometimes even quadruple procs (fiery, frost, holy, not sure what can proc what) sometimes resulting in some nice elemental burst. And no, no slowing effect from the frost proc.



You might want to have a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqialHdZ-WA
 
Oooo I've read lots of things about stock weapon procs and them being 1ppm mostly and all that. I wouldn't say it's bad because I've had alot of luck with most 2handers dropping that extra burst. I don't doubt, nor would I ever say the Cobalt Crusher shouldn't be used for ret.. by all means in the right hands I'm sure there are guys out there getting the most out of it they can. I will say that it is true that both stock procs and enchant procs have better results with instant attacks from warriors. Which would still put me into a position to choose a 2handed axe that has a strength value, seeing as SoC "receives 20% coefficient from normal +spell damage stats, and 32% from Attack Power".
 
yeah cobalt crushers proc is on a 1 min internal cooldown it is very nice for burst damage but maybe once per fight youll see it (prolly a lot less). dont gimp your damage just for that especially since its an elemental attack and is resistable.



though i would use cobalt over thermapluggs
 
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