What's really OP about level 80 409 BoE's.

[glancealot]

ok let me see. but oops i used flash heal in my last post,

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=19750 A quick, expensive heal that heals a friendly target for 9603 to 10773 (+ 112% of SpellPower).

so ((9603+10773)/2+112%*2500)*1.25=16k

you do have 4592 SP so your flash of light would heal

((9603+10773)/2+112%*4592)*1.25=19k

 

[glancealot]

You don't get instant FoL anymore, just a quick DL.
Also, I think with half the gear having str/agi on it and no spellpower on weapon, his heals are going to be way smaller.

correct, as i mentioned, only 2500 int.

 

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I'm still not sure why using that weapon is a good idea, because colossus is a melee proc, and holy paladins have a total of one melee attack, on a 3-4sec cooldown. The proc was designed for a class using a skill every gcd with a 1 PPM rate, it's just not worth using. I'd rather use the 308 with power torrent, or one of the 264 PvP weapons.

 

[glancealot]

I'm still not sure why using that weapon is a good idea, because colossus is a melee proc, and holy paladins have a total of one melee attack, on a 3-4sec cooldown. The proc was designed for a class using a skill every gcd with a 1 PPM rate, it's just not worth using. I'd rather use the 308 with power torrent, or one of the 264 PvP weapons.

Colossus is 3ppm.

so with a 2.6 speed weapon, each yellow hit + white hit combined has a 25% chance to absorb 7500 damage. 3 second internal cool down, so you would actually try to land a yellow hit as often as possible.

don't forget that those 7500 damage is affected by your own resil.

i'd say it's pretty OP, if you use the 308 with power torrent, then you should make a macro to weapon switch.

 

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I don't make a habit of sitting next to opponents in arenas as a holy paladin, no matter how much resilience I have :3

 

[glancealot]

I don't make a habit of sitting next to opponents in arenas as a holy paladin, no matter how much resilience I have :3

arena played: 692. battle ground played; 108

you shouldn't base everything on something that you do 50% of the time.

plus, now that WotLK is default, BG queues should start popping often soon.

your style in arena is probably stand back and heal, LoS pillar hump and etc, the usual. but in my opinion, being able to spot the opportunity, switch weapon, move in and land a melee attack for a 7500 absorb shield is something that you aim for after mastering the class.

of course, everyone has different styles, you don't have to use it if you don't like it.

 

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Oh, and you're looking at my main now...wait what?

Seriously, this isn't the 70s bracket, condescension might be fine there, but this bracket is still a hell of a lot more bursty.

But, whilst we're at it:

Your rogue - Arenas played: 455. battlegrounds played: 1781. Woo, battlegrounds.
Your druid - Arenas played: 47. Battlegrounds played: 330. Again, woo battlegrounds.

 

[glancealot]

to be honest, i don't even play in the 80's bracket, i got like 95% of my HK's on my rogue before 70.

i can theorycraft a bit with the help of wowhead. i don't know why you are so hung up on the weapon choice of a template.

again, you don't have to use it if you don't like it...but i know you will at least try it to see how good the enchant is, don't lie.

 

[glancealot]

Your rogue - Arenas played: 455. battlegrounds played: 1781. Woo, battlegrounds.
Your druid - Arenas played: 47. Battlegrounds played: 330. Again, woo battlegrounds.

i don't understand what you are trying to say here...i like battleground way more than arena, so what? i only brought up arena because you said that weapon is a bad choice because "it's bad for arena".

I don't make a habit of sitting next to opponents in arenas as a holy paladin, no matter how much resilience I have :3

to be honest, this is wrong at so many levels. it's like when someone says to you "you should make as much money as possible", then you reply with "i don't make a habit of robbing banks".

notice how i said "land a yellow hit as often as possible"...

 

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Paladins don't have that many ranged attacks that count as melee. Judgement is the only one, and how often is that 3ppm enchant going to proc when I judge as often as once per 5 seconds (or more, because of casting)?

Oh, and that analogy isn't quite the same. You're implying yellow attacks (but they have to be melee to even count), then say each white + yellow hit combined have a 25% chance to proc it. So you're saying to me to land as many attacks as possible, when I'm playing a class with a whole 1 attack that counts to proc that is ranged.

But whichever, this argument is going nowhere (inb4 I get some more insults, or a retort to imply such), so have it your way.

 

[glancealot]

one more thing, you can't completely ignore the dps of the 409 weapon, even a holy paladin's yellow hit + white hit can do quite a bit of damage

 

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I guess it'd be the equivalent of a holy paladin having thousands of str, perhaps some kind of semi-offensive niche. I'll use some CSs and judgements using the weapons I've got on a dk friend with PvP gear, see how much damage I do.

 

[glancealot]

I guess it'd be the equivalent of a holy paladin having thousands of str, perhaps some kind of semi-offensive niche. I'll use some CSs and judgements using the weapons I've got on a dk friend with PvP gear, see how much damage I do.

good.

i don't try to sound condescending, it's probably just my style of forum posting in english, which isn't my first language.

most of the time i just try to create a nice theory-crafting atmosphere and get people to try crazy ideas that don't work 70% of the time. but when it works, it's always a nice feeling. for example, 2 piece T5, which is what my 70 druid is wearing.

 

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I've seen. However personal opinion has some variation, and in these boards particularly, there tends to be a bit of an...abrasive set of attitudes (I don't post much in the 70s forum, because since cataclysm it's become full of the most retarded things). There are some amusing things about old set bonuses though (4pc dk tank t10 has either a 0% or a 100% uptime depending which talents you take \o/)

 

[glancealot]

I've seen. However personal opinion has some variation, and in these boards particularly, there tends to be a bit of an...abrasive set of attitudes (I don't post much in the 70s forum, because since cataclysm it's become full of the most retarded things). There are some amusing things about old set bonuses though (4pc dk tank t10 has either a 0% or a 100% uptime depending which talents you take \o/)

this one i suppose?

hmmm...a DK wearing 4 piece of that + stacking resil elsewhere...wow, this sounds way more fun than a Don Carlos warrior or paladin!

 

[frityr459]

this one i suppose?

hmmm...a DK wearing 4 piece of that + stacking resil elsewhere...wow, this sounds way more fun than a Don Carlos warrior or paladin!

Btw about your MoP Target rogue how are you going to kill any1 with that gear?

You cant kill a singel player with full wrathfull gear.

 

[glancealot]

Btw about your MoP Target rogue how are you going to kill any1 with that gear?

You cant kill a singel player with full wrathfull gear.

never been a big fan of "all out damage" on my rogue. i mean, just look at my 24 rogue lol.

at the beginning of WotLK, i stacked stamina and played 2vs2 arena at 70 with a resto shaman, we hit #1 without using vent or anything. sure he is a duelist shaman and you could say that he carried me, but he did mention that i was one of the most skilled and unique rogue he's met. and he did pay for my transfer so that he could play with me (he didn't want to move his shaman from his main's server, azshara). how many 2650 players would pay for your transfer based on your performance in a few PuG bg's?

 

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Thing is, there's posts similar with this bracket (Sober got #1 as a holy paladin using two pieces of gear and a weapon early 80s twinking), so whilst you may have been playing an oddly gemmed rogue, it's nothing especially special.

 

[glancealot]

i am just saying that people need to try to think outside the box. for example, a couple of weeks ago, i used Wrathful Gladiator's Endgame on my newly ding'd 85 holy paladin while spamming heroics because that was the best healing offhand/shield i could get my hands on. yet i was constantly pm'd "why are you not using a shield?"

people need to stop being so one-dimensional.

edit: let me try to explain this: with this set up, my 258.5k effective health rogue would move super fast thanks to http://www.wowhead.com/spell=14062 , http://www.wowhead.com/item=44076 and http://www.wowhead.com/spell=108212

with 78% resil, 2/3 combined dodge+parry, and well timed http://www.wowhead.com/spell=108210 , i would take little damage. I keep http://www.wowhead.com/spell=73651 up; http://www.wowhead.com/spell=5171 coupled with 2 * http://www.wowhead.com/spell=104440 would give me a lot of self-healing. i can heal myself for 15k every 2 min with http://www.wowhead.com/spell=121279 . if everything else fails, you still can't kill me thanks to http://www.wowhead.com/spell=31230 .

i just dish out kicks, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=115197 , stuns, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=51713 'd garrote and etc.

i could also switch target once diminishing returns take place, one key point of playing a rogue is you should never tunnel vision.

last but not least, the damage won't be that bad thanks to 409 weapons, my current MH/OH dps is 1205/602 and i do a stupid amount of damage already. in the above set up, my dps is 1912/956.