Weapon Decisions

Orrson

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I have a paladin and shaman on the way up and I'd like to have a ret/enh set for them. I'm kind of stuck about weapons. I already own a BAR, but consistently farm for a PoD. From what I understand, PoD is above all other options for both classes. My question is, how far? Is it worth the time and/or expense of a PoD (of which I'd ideally need two eventually) or is the BAR an acceptable alternative? Thanks.



-Orrson
 
Orrson said:
I have a paladin and shaman on the way up and I'd like to have a ret/enh set for them. I'm kind of stuck about weapons. I already own a BAR, but consistently farm for a PoD. From what I understand, PoD is above all other options for both classes. My question is, how far? Is it worth the time and/or expense of a PoD (of which I'd ideally need two eventually) or is the BAR an acceptable alternative? Thanks.



-Orrson
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BAR until the PoD drops, but quite frankly, I haven't heard of a PoD dropping in a loooooooooooooooooooooong time.

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.
 
Orrson said:
shaman...enh set

-Orrson
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Sorry, just recalling some conversations I've had with shaman guildies recently (I'm gearing a shammy too).



I've heard the SoJ hits harder with WF procs than a BAR for Enh, and still lends to casting abilities.



I'll forward the link to this thread for them to come over and lend their knowledge.
 
SoJ with Mongoose is a very good option,

and if I remember the threads about it correctly, frees up

2 points in Flurry, as taking 5/5 can give you swings which will

just overlap the ending of the ICD of Windfury..



Resulting in having to wait for the swing timer while

hitting slightly after would mean a swing capable of proccing WF,



The 4.0 speed of the PoD makes 'full' use of 5/5 flurry,

where taking over 3/5 with the 3.7 speed SoJ may result in less dps.





Never had a 39 enhance but this is what I read before,

care to correct me if I'm wrong.



But as said, SoJ is nice, and int > AP and the spellpower are

decent for dps stats.
 
Lasagna said:
SoJ with Mongoose is a very good option,

and if I remember the threads about it correctly, frees up

2 points in Flurry, as taking 5/5 can give you swings which will

just overlap the ending of the ICD of Windfury..



Resulting in having to wait for the swing timer while

hitting slightly after would mean a swing capable of proccing WF,



The 4.0 speed of the PoD makes 'full' use of 5/5 flurry,

where taking over 3/5 with the 3.7 speed SoJ may result in less dps.





Never had a 39 enhance but this is what I read before,

care to correct me if I'm wrong.



But as said, SoJ is nice, and int > AP and the spellpower are

decent for dps stats.
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Mongoose is a terrible enchant for shams at this level just like crusader, we have nothing but auto-attack to proc them.



And I think 5/5 toughness is far, far more valuable than the dps increase from flurry, but then again that is just my opinion.
 
Lasagna said:
SoJ with Mongoose is a very good option,

and if I remember the threads about it correctly, frees up

2 points in Flurry, as taking 5/5 can give you swings which will

just overlap the ending of the ICD of Windfury..



Resulting in having to wait for the swing timer while

hitting slightly after would mean a swing capable of proccing WF,



The 4.0 speed of the PoD makes 'full' use of 5/5 flurry,

where taking over 3/5 with the 3.7 speed SoJ may result in less dps.





Never had a 39 enhance but this is what I read before,

care to correct me if I'm wrong.



But as said, SoJ is nice, and int > AP and the spellpower are

decent for dps stats.
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Good advice here
 
BAR is the best weapon for ret paladins because of the spell/melee crit.
 
Powerglove said:
BAR is the best weapon for ret paladins because of the spell/melee crit.
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I was always told the PoD was better for uber crits, but I don't have a Pod on my new ret twink, and the BAR + Crusader is working wonders, imo.
 
Sunblayde said:
I was always told the PoD was better for uber crits, but I don't have a Pod on my new ret twink, and the BAR + Crusader is working wonders, imo.
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pod used to be the best when fiery and weapon procs would proc SoC and vice versa
 
PoD > BaR for Pallies. Sinply because Savagery is better than Crusader.



For warriors, Cru is a decent alternative, since thier burst isn't as front-loaded. I wouldnt bother getting a PoD for my warr if I had a pally that needed one.
 
darzk said:
PoD > BaR for Pallies. Sinply because Savagery is better than Crusader.



For warriors, Cru is a decent alternative, since thier burst isn't as front-loaded. I wouldnt bother getting a PoD for my warr if I had a pally that needed one.
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I've been told as much, but since I'll never see a PoD within my grasp, the BAR will have to do.
 
lets state an uptime for cru of 30%.

30% of 100 str -> 30 str (+heal more than one ppm)



13 str + 30 str = 43 str * kings = 47,3 str = 94,6 AP



already high burst, that is increased by a proc + heal + 19 stam (20,9 with kings) + 1,56% crit (on everything you do including selfheal)



constant AP: 70 <-> 26 (28,6)

proc: 300dmg <-> 100heal and str

constant stam: 0 <-> 19

increased overall crit: 0 <-> 1,56%

hits for (just AP...600AP,556AP/756AP): 325,43 <-> 294,91/349,2



ok, PoD >>>>>>>>>>nothing>>>>>>>>>>bullova>>>>>>>>>>BAR
 
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