Warriors: PvP powr or Strength

[Awze]

I'm leveling an Arms Warrior and I'd like to know if PvP power or Strength is better for Warriors?

 

[Splosion]

For Prot: PvP is better by quite a margin. No idea for arms, but small napkin math says that with Apolyon's wdamage values, PvP power is better again. Difference is much smaller though.

 

[Elkiva]

I'm leveling an Arms Warrior and I'd like to know if PvP power or Strength is better for Warriors?

Hello!

If you're going into PVP as an Arms warrior here are a few tips to help you.

1) Make sure your health pool is above about 17k to 20k HP as you'll be receiving some heavy hits due to the burst of the bracket at the moment.

2) Once you've sorted your HP Out I'd say try and work out a good amount of Strength to stamina ratio, by doing this you'll be able to optimize your survivability with damage output.

To answer your question though, Gem strength for PVP as PVP power is currently very poor.

However, protection is much more viable! If you're able to sort your HP Out to about 18k and then use a pocket healer such as a priest / sham / druid you'll be able to gem into full strength and pretty much one shot everything. However it's your call!

Good luck and have fun none the less!

 

[Dreams]

So one is saying strength and one is saying pvp power. Which one is right? Can we get some numbers on the table? :>

 

[Elkiva]

So one is saying strength and one is saying pvp power. Which one is right? Can we get some numbers on the table? :>

Basically, PVP has been nerfed dramatically. Everyone used to stack it! Now that blizzard have made PVP Power redundant it does very little different.
If you stack your core stat which is strength you'll receive a greater amount of damage done to your target!

PVP Power scales in BGS as well, strength does not.
Within arena you the PVP power would also make very little difference. This is why many classes are capable of one shotting a player, this is due to the fact that they are stacking their core stat whilst going into pretty much all PVE Gear as it gives better stats then PVP Gear.

Strength is the way forward.

Strength = Better.

 

[Splosion]

Eh, not exactly true, at all. Even at 74 PvP power is nearly twice as good as strength, despite the nerfs. No idea why people are stacking primaries, unless it's the int/agi users wanting crit?

For prot, base damage of shield slam is in the order of 6k with no gear equipped (it's probably more, but I digress). at 74, PvP power takes just a little over 1 gem (20 rating) to get 1%. 1% of 6k is 6000/100 = 60, whereas shield slam scales from 75% of attack power. That means that a 20 strength gem (which doesn't scale in a BG), will add ~30 damage.

Still think strength is better in bgs? Trust me, it isn't.

Edit: Something else I forgot to add in. The values I used were base (no gear equipped), PvP power scales with AP, so as soon as you've got a gearset equipped (say 1.5k AP), the damage of shield slam is buffed even more than twice str by PvP power. Just another thought.

 

[Elkiva]

Then how come before hand I was hitting incredibly poor with shield slam when I had 100% PVP Power used and then when I switch to Strength I'm able to do a crazy amount of burst damage?

When I was using PVP Power within 5.3 I was hitting very little as the scalings had changed completely, so I decided to go strength over PVP Power and it worked out much better in my favor.
From my point of view as shield slam gains damage through attack power PVP power would become irrelevant. Yes it increase your damage done to the target by however much % however it's not a big amount. If you get enough strength you'll be able to achieve a higher damage then using PVP power.

I don't know, I'm not arguing however this.

Strength is in my opinion greater than PVP power at this moment in time, just from my personal experiences. However it's up to you who you decide to go with.

(EDIT) I've also used my DPS Gear to ensure higher burst.

 

[Splosion]

So choosing a stat that gives you less damage lead to a larger boost in damage? Interesting.

Comparing them in a vacuum is silly, especially since you could've easily been hitting two different targets in PvP, such as clothie vs plate, berserking vs not berserking.

SS gains damage from both str and PvP power, it's just base damage of the skill is so high you don't exactly need a "threshold" anymore. Scaling is irrelevent, really.

 

[Dreams]

Interesting that you guys still disagree on the matter. ^^
Maybe we could get some actual numbers or screenshots to determine once and for all which stat is best?

 

[Splosion]

Right, numbers.

Using the formula wowhead gives for shield slam AP scaling, we get the following:

((Attack power * ($gte(level, 85) * 0.75 + $gte(level, 80) * 0.4 + 0.35) + 7898))

$gte refers to which expansion it is, and since our level is 70, both return 0 as an output. This changes the formula to this:

((Attack power * 0.35) + 7898)

What this means is that, for every 100 AP, you get 35 more damage on shield slam for a level 70 prot warrior. This means that for every strength gem, we get (after buffs) 20*1.05*2*1.1 = 46.2 * 0.35 = 16 damage added to shield slam.

But, if at 74 (highest scale level for bgs), we get 0.787113% more damage per 20 PvP power. This means that for a basic gearset (1k AP) shield slam damage is (1000*0.35 + 7898) = 8248 damage, and PvP power adds .787% more damage (8248*1.00787-8248) = 64.921 damage, so 65 damage.

So to reiterate, at 74 (highest scaled level in random battlegrounds), strength adds 16 damage per gem, and PvP power adds 65 damage per gem.

Tell me again, how was strength better than PvP power?

 

[Elkiva]

Right, numbers.

Using the formula wowhead gives for shield slam AP scaling, we get the following:

((Attack power * ($gte(level, 85) * 0.75 + $gte(level, 80) * 0.4 + 0.35) + 7898))

$gte refers to which expansion it is, and since our level is 70, both return 0 as an output. This changes the formula to this:

((Attack power * 0.35) + 7898)

What this means is that, for every 100 AP, you get 35 more damage on shield slam for a level 70 prot warrior. This means that for every strength gem, we get (after buffs) 20*1.05*2*1.1 = 46.2 * 0.35 = 16 damage added to shield slam.

But, if at 74 (highest scale level for bgs), we get 0.787113% more damage per 20 PvP power. This means that for a basic gearset (1k AP) shield slam damage is (1000*0.35 + 7898) = 8248 damage, and PvP power adds .787% more damage (8248*1.00787-8248) = 64.921 damage, so 65 damage.

So to reiterate, at 74 (highest scaled level in random battlegrounds), strength adds 16 damage per gem, and PvP power adds 65 damage per gem.

Tell me again, how was strength better than PvP power?

Well I said from my personal preference.
I wasn't expecting you to number crunch every stat from here to kingdom come.

I didn't know about the PVP Power increase in BGS being that high up, As I said from my personal preference it felt as if I was able to do more damage with Strength then with PVP Power.
You have won this one.

However, I wasnt trying to make a big deal out of it. Only a personal preference that's all I was stating.
But it's nice to see someone who truly wants to go the extra mile.

 

[Dreams]

There there, Elkiva. The op was asking which stat was better, so I think It's only fair that someone went "the extra mile". Lol.
I would actually love to see some numbers to back up your theory, too.
Also sidenote: I think you're using the word 'preference' wrong. I think you mean 'experience' or maybe 'perspective'.