Twink Rogue: talents, Spec, Race and Gear.

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Hello. I'm about to start a Night Elf Rogue Twink on Bladefist, but before using tons of money on gear and stuff, i just wanted to hear what's best.



This is what im going for now:

GEAR.

Head - Lucky Fishing Hat (No Librmas beacuse this is after patch 3.1.1 and dont know if 8 Agi still works.

Neck - Sentinel's Medallion.

Shoulder - Serpent Shoulders.

Back - Sentry Cloak - 5 to all Resistance.

Chest - Tunic of Westfall - 3 to all stats.

Bracers - Forest Leather Bracer - 9 Sta.

Hands - Gloves of the Fang - 15 Agi.

Belt - Deviat Scale Belt.

Pants - Leggings of the Fang - 16 Armor :p

Shoes - Feet of the Lynx - 7 Agi.

Trinket - Insignia of the Allience.

Trinket - (Not decided yet)

Finger - Seal of Wrynn.

Finger - Prospectors Band.



Weapon:

Cruel Barb - 15 Agi.

Thief's Blade - 15 Agi.

Sentinel's Blade - 15 Agi. (But untill i have enough marks; Skeletal Club - Crusader).



PLEASE say your opinoins, and i would also like to hear if 8+ Agi libram still works :p
 
4 stats to chest

8agil libram does not work. none of them do.

fang boots for 3 set bonus 7 expertise. minor speed not agil

sentry cloak 3 agil
 
Head - Lucky Fishing Hat

Neck - Sentinel's Medallion.

Shoulder - Serpent Shoulders.

Back - Spidersilk Cloak - 3 agility

Chest - Blackened Defias Armor - 4 to all stats.

Bracers - Forest Leather Bracer - 9 Sta, or 3/3 monkey

Hands - Gloves of the Fang - 15 Agi.

Belt - Deviat Scale Belt.

Pants - Leggings of the Fang - 16 Armor

Shoes - Footpads of the Fang - Minor Speed

Trinket - Insignia of the Allience.

Trinket - AGM

Finger - Seal of Wrynn.

Finger - Simple Pearl Ring



Weapon:

Cruel Barb - Fiery.

Thief's Blade - Fiery.



Updated for 3.1
 
this setup above is for expertise and hit rating. i havnt tried it myself, but suspect it is good.
 
Murk said:
this setup above is for expertise and hit rating. i havnt tried it myself, but suspect it is good.
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Well since dodge has diminishing returns, which makes high agility/dodge rating rogues close to USELESS there is not much else to go with nowadays.
 
im with doffe...but get the tunic of westfall to switch. 3/3 monkey bracers!



and get a lot of weapon choices. a skeletal with lifestealing MH and a cruel fiery OH is a nice combo too. it is all situational. thiefs/agi is a good OH for RvR. red whelp gloves with haste is a funny option when chasing a mail wearing FC...
 
Thanks for you opinoins.

Thanks for your opinions guys.

I will now try to make some questions for my choise and make questions for your choises.



On my server there is NOONE who can make 3+ Agi on Cloak or 4+ Stats on chest.

Monkey Bracers 3/3 and Subtearren Cloak (or whatever :D) Is although extremely rare. (Never seen Monkey bracers on AH past my 3 years as WoW gamer)

And for the Resistacen on claok, i think its the best choise beacuse i cant get 3 agi, and then the only alternative is 70+ Armor :S



But if its right that Dodge/Agi twinks are dead i will change my gear to this:



Head - Lucky Fishing Hat.

Neck - Sentinel's Medalion.

Shoulders - Serpent Shoulder's.

Back - Sentry Claok - 5 Resistance.

Chest - Blackened Defias Armor - 3+ Stats.

Bracers - 9 sta (for a litle survival xD)

Hands - Gloves of the Fang - 15 Agi.

Belt - Deviate Scale Belt.

Legs - Legging's of the Fang - 16 Armor.

Shoes - Footpads of the Fang - Minor Speed.

Ring - Seal of Wrynn.

Ring - Prospector's Band.

Trinket - Insignia of the Allience.

Trinket - AGM.



Almost as Doffe said :D



But i still got one answer. Are you sure that Feiry Weapon is the best Enchant?! I got 15 Agi on Thief's Blade and Cruel Bar allready :S What's the best Weapon, and best enchant FOR weapons?
 
Batgnom said:
Thanks for your opinions guys.

I will now try to make some questions for my choise and make questions for your choises.



On my server there is NOONE who can make 3+ Agi on Cloak or 4+ Stats on chest.

Monkey Bracers 3/3 and Subtearren Cloak (or whatever :D) Is although extremely rare. (Never seen Monkey bracers on AH past my 3 years as WoW gamer)

And for the Resistacen on claok, i think its the best choise beacuse i cant get 3 agi, and then the only alternative is 70+ Armor :S



But if its right that Dodge/Agi twinks are dead i will change my gear to this:



Head - Lucky Fishing Hat.

Neck - Sentinel's Medalion.

Shoulders - Serpent Shoulder's.

Back - Sentry Claok - 5 Resistance.

Chest - Blackened Defias Armor - 3+ Stats.

Bracers - 9 sta (for a litle survival xD)

Hands - Gloves of the Fang - 15 Agi.

Belt - Deviate Scale Belt.

Legs - Legging's of the Fang - 16 Armor.

Shoes - Footpads of the Fang - Minor Speed.

Ring - Seal of Wrynn.

Ring - Prospector's Band.

Trinket - Insignia of the Allience.

Trinket - AGM.



Almost as Doffe said :D



But i still got one answer. Are you sure that Feiry Weapon is the best Enchant?! I got 15 Agi on Thief's Blade and Cruel Bar allready :S What's the best Weapon, and best enchant FOR weapons?
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Fiery weapon is a very good cheap enchant and is nice becose of its high ppm but 15agi is still as good it only depends what u like and 3agi on cloak is a pattent u buy from the enchanting trainer so it shoudnet be hard to get but the 4stats is idd a rare patten (vannilla it was like 50g+ in tbc it was 100g+ so)
 
Shadowfang w/Fiery is best MH atm to my knowledge. Cruelbarb w/fiery and a thiefsblade w/fiery/15agi is a good combination. 15agi x2 is your best option agains other melee classes and duel procs are great for fc's and clothies.
 
I 2nd this.

Shadowfang with lifestealing is sweet too, if you want a little more durability.

In the end, it all depends on your playstyle.



-uro
 
DW cruel barb/fiery and get more weapon sets for different situations or decide to get only one set of weapons. in that case it is all dependant on your preference. CB/LS and CB/agi is a good choice for example.



imo get as much weapons as possible and test different enchants. but be sure to always use fiery or lifestealing MH (except RvR maybe). OH is a matter of choice, but in your MH you should wear a proc enchant.
 
As a lot of people have posted questions about weapons and enchants I will copy paste what I wrote in another thread:



"Shadowfang is still 2nd in offhand if you already got one in mainhand. Thrash Blade however is better for offhand since it will procc a mainhand attack.



Lifestealing vs fiery is about 30 heal vs 10 damage. How often do you survive a fight because of lifestealing heals? I have never won anyone because of that. I use bandages and herbalism for heals. If you don't have herbalism, food, bandages or healers nearby then sure go for lifestealing.



Then it's about agility vs fiery. Agility is AP and crit, and some dodge. Now lets start by simply ignoring the dodge because of this. Then it comes down to crit and AP. Crit and AP gives more damage output, but it is affected by armor. If your target has 40% damage reduction because of armor, then your agility enchants will be 40% less effective. And your attacks can also be dodged, parried, missed and blocked. However fiery deals the same damage to all targets, and it always hits (never seen a resist). 40 damage, 6 proccs per minute, that's 4 dps I think.



So it's up to you really. I suggest you also gear for 11 hit rating, no matter what else you would like to do. Hit untill soft capped is your most important stat."



I bought my Shadowfang 2 weeks ago, and before that I tested almost every single viable weapon combo with every single enchant that rogues normally use before settling down with a weapon/enchant combo that I liked. I ran with dual wield LS in the beginning, but I didn't find the heals really useful. Overrated enchant for rogues imo. :S I tried 15 agility, but I quickly realized how much dodge has been nerfed, and I didn't feel like doing more damage. I even tested crusaders just for lolz (they didn't work out at all). I ended up with dual wield fiery, Shadowfang and Cruel Barb because we rarely have Wintergrasp and I cba doing those dailies. I will get thrash blade sometime though. Dual wield fiery is still more viable than fiery MH + 15 agi offhand too. You will quickly fall in love with the damage output of the "cheap" fiery weapons ;) Agility is even cheaper nowadays, but even more useless.



I only use 15 agility when duelling other rogues.
 
doffe, fiery is not really 6PPM in MH. it is 6PPM for autohits + procs that result from instaspamming.

i never managed to get proculus working, but definately have more than 6PPM.

im still using fiery on my mallet of zul^^ too lazy to farm for mongoose. before i had CS+KS i often used a 1pt SnD...that will increase the value of dual fiery too.
 
Bansil said:
doffe, fiery is not really 6PPM in MH. it is 6PPM for autohits + procs that result from instaspamming.

i never managed to get proculus working, but definately have more than 6PPM.

im still using fiery on my mallet of zul^^ too lazy to farm for mongoose. before i had CS+KS i often used a 1pt SnD...that will increase the value of dual fiery too.
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Indeed :) I forgot to mention that. On targets with alot of health I try to keep up SnD whenever it looks efficient.
 
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