SWTOR already having PVP-BG issues

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first off it's a free for all when it comes to levels. players entering at level-10 end up facing level-50's. you can end up on a team of levels 10-23 and have other team with one 50 just reek havoc upon your team if they are the right class



second, if it was bracketed, talents awarded in the game at low level for some classes would make them seriously OP. to put it in terms of WOW as most know it would be like a mage having deepfreeze and icelance at 14 but gaining frost nova at 50, a rogue cheap shot and kidney shot at 18 then gaining backstab at 50.



many are already asking for bracketing, not like WOW or RIFT, but atleast with 50's in their own bracket
 
1. Old news is old. It has been like this for a long time, and it have been discussed/flamed in every fucking forum with just a tinee tiny connection to tor.



2. Good job comparing this to wow, we all know its the same.. oh wait..



3. Lost to many friends to a greater game have we? Sounds like you're practically crying for some people to hate on the game.



4. "SWTOR Already having PVP-BG issues".. Since you really wanna compare wow and tor, like so many other tards on various general chats.. Did WOW come out with perfect BG's, because as i remember it, their last change to how Bg's work were in 4.1 with the WSG Gy change.



Dont go hating, just for the hatin.
 
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Have you might considered the fact, that there is only 1 bracket, because not many people have hit 50 yet, so a 50 bracket only, would result in hour long queues...



This isnt blizz.. People here actually cares about other things than money.
 
not hating anything and there are actually alot of 50's, don't know if like on RIFT some people who alpha/beta played got head starts, xp boosts, etc.
 
Oliks said:
1. Old news is old. It has been like this for a long time, and it have been discussed/flamed in every fucking forum with just a tinee tiny connection to tor.



2. Good job comparing this to wow, we all know its the same.. oh wait..



3. Lost to many friends to a greater game have we? Sounds like you're practically crying for some people to hate on the game.



4. "SWTOR Already having PVP-BG issues".. Since you really wanna compare wow and tor, like so many other tards on various general chats.. Did WOW come out with perfect BG's, because as i remember it, their last change to how Bg's work were in 4.1 with the WSG Gy change.



Dont go hating, just for the hatin.
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Funny you say not to go hating but then you barrel right into hating the OP... I haven't played SWtOR yet but I can make some pretty fair statements to refute your hard-on for an unproven game (at this stage in the game anyways):



1. Just because it's old news on www.swtorfanboybeforeitsreleased.com doesn't mean it's old news here. This is the first I've heard this information (and I'm surely not alone) so don't be so quick to jump on the OP. We here like balanced PvP in any game...and well 50s vs. 10s doesn't seem balanced at all.



2. You better get used to any mmo getting compared to WoW...because WoW is hands down the most successful one in gaming history (albeit a short history). And did you forget where you were? This is Twink Info...a site dedicated to WoW twinking (but hopefully more later). Ofc it's going to get compared to WoW.



3. You might want to hold off on any superiority claims until after the games been out for more than 1 day. Sure you may have gotten in early but not everyone did...and there's already many reports of server issues. And like I said, here's the link to http://swtorfanboybeforeitsreleased.com.



4. Uh...yes there's been a lot of issues with WoW's BGs, but how is pointing out the obvious imbalance of lvl 50s with lvl 10s being a "tard"?



So in other words, do not come into someone else's thread and start being a db acting like the self-proclaimed expert fanboy, because your apparent blind elitism over a 1 day old game on a site dedicated to WoW is not appreciated. I hope SWtOR succeeds and is a WoW killer eventually but let's not get carried away too soon.





Shanker, any sense that this issue might get adjusted or resolved from what you've seen in-game or somewhere else?



-Ink
 
I'm leveling pretty slowly in the game. Level 25 atm. But I haven't had any trouble competing in BG's, even against higher levels. Lower level players are given buffs to their abilities to compensate. This works for the present since the gear ladder for higher levels is relatively predictable and reasonable, meaning end-game is non-existent at the present. Talent trees and more abilities are what give higher levels a bit more of an advantage. But it certainly hasn't stopped me from being competitive, topping healing charts, etc.



I think combining the brackets, at least for now, is a brilliant idea since gear disparity is minimal and very few people are max level at the moment. This is the only means to keep warzone queues relatively instant. The only other solution would be to combine queues across servers which would be a horrible idea. I hated when Blizzard did this because it ruined community. And it's the same reason why I hate the dungeon finder in WoW. Both are terrible ideas that ruin server community and Bioware well understands this. I hope I never see them in this game.



50s will almost certainly get a bracket of their own. But right now, it's largely irrelevant and counter-intuitive since there are so few. And there is hardly any gear disparity or ladder at all right now since end-game has yet to take hold by creating a gear ladder. Official release literally just started yesterday. Sometimes I can hardly believe the demands already being made. Sure, many got into early-release, but they did not, as you suggested, get an early start from alpha/beta. Those were all wiped. Only thing they benefitted from is knowledge of questing zones/leveling patterns.



Just a side note to comparing this game to WoW: The comparisons, of course, are going to be inevitable. So be that as it may. However, you are seriously kidding yourself if you expect a game to be just as polished in certain aspects to WoW. WoW is an aging game with a system that has had over half a decade to develop and improve upon. There are both good and bad things to take away from the WoW experiment.



Likewise, because SWTOR is a new game, some of the solutions found in WoW, where the game is very old and players have long since established themselves, will not work in a new game. There is simply a loss of translation between the two. It's like translating between two languages, sometimes there simply is not going to be a precise and equitable translation between the two. In this case, a change to the battleground system would do more harm than good. Though I do agree, and indeed believe, that a bracket will be made for level 50s when the time calls for it.



TL;DR: The game is new so growing pains are inevitable. So take them as they come. And bear in mind many solutions from WoW you attempt to make for the problems plaguing this game will not necessarily achieve the intended effect that you desire.



As for my part, I'm loving the game so far. It's the best release I've been apart of for an MMO. It's about as smooth as possible. No server instability or bad lag, very few bugs that I have encountered, and well-populated and healthy server populations. What more can a reasonable person ask for just one day after a game's official release?
 
Inkobah said:
Funny you say not to go hating but then you barrel right into hating the OP... I haven't played SWtOR yet but I can make some pretty fair statements to refute your hard-on for an unproven game (at this stage in the game anyways):



1. Just because it's old news on www.swtorfanboybeforeitsreleased.com doesn't mean it's old news here. This is the first I've heard this information (and I'm surely not alone) so don't be so quick to jump on the OP. We here like balanced PvP in any game...and well 50s vs. 10s doesn't seem balanced at all.



2. You better get used to any mmo getting compared to WoW...because WoW is hands down the most successful one in gaming history (albeit a short history). And did you forget where you were? This is Twink Info...a site dedicated to WoW twinking (but hopefully more later). Ofc it's going to get compared to WoW.



3. You might want to hold off on any superiority claims until after the games been out for more than 1 day. Sure you may have gotten in early but not everyone did...and there's already many reports of server issues. And like I said, here's the link to http://swtorfanboybe...itsreleased.com.



4. Uh...yes there's been a lot of issues with WoW's BGs, but how is pointing out the obvious imbalance of lvl 50s with lvl 10s being a "tard"?



So in other words, do not come into someone else's thread and start being a db acting like the self-proclaimed expert fanboy, because your apparent blind elitism over a 1 day old game on a site dedicated to WoW is not appreciated. I hope SWtOR succeeds and is a WoW killer eventually but let's not get carried away too soon.





Shanker, any sense that this issue might get adjusted or resolved from what you've seen in-game or somewhere else?



-Ink
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first off.. I didnt say don't hate. I said "Dont go hating, just for the hatin", which is 2 completely different things.

People can hate, if they have the right reasons and its "for a greater cause". But i dont like people who hate, just for hatin.. Like people who hates Justin Bieber, just because 'everyone else' does.



1. If you followed swtor.com forum, since you should always do a background check, if you're posting stuff about anything.



2. True that things are always gonna get compared to wow, since that was the game (imo) that made MMORPG huge.



3. Yes the game have only been out for 1 day. But people have been able to play the game for a long time, if they only had preordered for just 1month ago. 1) there have been a stresstest, where everyone who had preordeded was invited. 2) An irl friend of me ordered the game friday, and got in friday.



4. first off, that "tard" werent ment to apply to OP, just most of the people crying in every single General chat ingame.

Secondly. The current single bracket in tor, is way more balanced than each single bracket in WOW, maybe exept the 85 bracket. Since everyone get scaled together to a "middle" level, which you prob didnt know since you prob(?) dont play the game? and doesnt sound like the OP did either, which he should have checked before posting stuff like this = There is less difference at the current bracket between a 10 and a 50 than foreksample a warlock and hunter in wow level 1-84.

Painaid said:
Level 25 atm. But I haven't had any trouble competing in BG's, even against higher levels.
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sorry if i sounded like a db.
 
The battlegrounds so far are pretty damn fantastic. Ive leveled almost strictly through Warzones (level 30, already Gladiator), and one of the 3 Warzones is without a doubt better than any BG in wow (Huttball). The other 2 are a bit 'basic', but Huttball more than makes up for it. So far, pretty great game.
 
Yeah so I just rolled a Jedi Knight. I ding level 10 and head to warzones and I am already dominating people. Bioware seems to have done a good job at balancing the levels out fair enough. Sure, I got less moves and talents, but it hasn't stopped me from more than holding my own. So I really don't see a problem after looking into it again myself. Perhaps it's just an unfamiliarity with class mechanics. But that comes with the territory of a new game and a new character. Hardly something to complain about.
 
In my opinion soo far it's a great system, no one is stuck in a queue that is low on members or not poping at all, sure 10-15 might not be the best in the bg but still with the "bolster" buff like a working tenacity (the WG buff). Even if I think bolster had the same problem as tenacity had in beta that it dosent boost your sheilds by anything soo mage in wow and sorcerer in swtor sheilds was horrible, but it's working now. (Sucks to have over 200k hp and ice barrier still absorbing like I whould have 27k hp).



But there is a resilience stat in swtor (called expertise which give more dmg, migration and healing* against other players) and it's mainly 50s who got access to this stat. This will make level 50s super good vs anything, more soo than any 49. I do hope that when there is alot of people in 50 that they make it 10-49 and then 50 but I dont think it's good idea to do it already since there is not enought 50s yet. TIme will tell how they are going to manage.



But I also think bioware is affraid that it whould pop up twinks if the made brackets, you only get experience at the end of the game (easy change-able but why decide on that design choice from the beggining then).



*Im not sure about it but here is my teory of the healing: Every time you attack someone in pvp (both bg and o-pvp as far I know) the opponent gain a -30% healing recived which last for like ~15 sec (no idea but short duration) and I guess the expertise only kicks in on healing if you got that buff on the healing reciver.
 
yea.. not sure what the OP is/was complaining about. I was one of the lowest levels in my BG and topped the damage and kill death ratio's in my very 1st one.



The balance is far better than WoW has ever been able to establish and how long has Blizzard been at it?
 
For all this arguing going on in the first few posts, there's this thing called "Bolster" that raises all characters' stats to be akin to a level 50 character...which is to say that even though there's only one bracket a lv50 jedi can't 1shot little lv10s because the lv10s are packing lv50 punch. That said the lv50s will still have access to more talents, abilities, and gear, but as you can see a lv10 can still be highly competitive thanks to Bolster even without these things.



That said I'm still debating whether or not I like SWTOR bg's more than WoW bg's. Having not played a WoW bg in several years and never played a SWTOR bg my debate might be completely pointless anyway. I like that SWTOR bg's seem to be much more balanced, and that your gear doesn't become superannuated every patch, but you gotta love WoW's scale...SWTOR bg's are only 8v8. I hope one day as the game develops they introduce larger bg's...15v15, 25v25, 40v40, etc.
 
Mazurati said:
yea.. not sure what the OP is/was complaining about. I was one of the lowest levels in my BG and topped the damage and kill death ratio's in my very 1st one.



The balance is far better than WoW has ever been able to establish and how long has Blizzard been at it?
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I pretty agree to this one and other positive stuff above, everyone have already stated the good stuff ^^
 
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