sec football

[Goma]

dam

 

[Nickolas]

why goma on timeout

hes nose be in the corner to long

 

[(Hass)]

LSU wins again because of special teams and better offense.



This will be the 6th in a row national champion from SEC.

 

[Falkor]

sec......not that good as a whole

lsu and bama are clearly the 2 best teams in the country. arkansas, s. car, and georgia are pretty good, the rest sucked this year, and with the exception of flordia have sucked for longer



+ i like how none of the espn people brought up the fact georgia lost its 1st two games of the year, one of which to the "joke" school, boise st, & had its coach on the hot seat, but then THATS the team that they kept saying has the best chance to take down lsu. please.



big 10 is on the rise back to the top, especially with the sec connections urban will bring to not only osu, but the conference as a whole. dropping minn & indiana wouldnt hurt either

pac 12 is pretty soft outside oregon, stanford and usc but they still have hope. and usc is constantly a national threat so itll be interesting to see what they do now the bowl ban is up, especially if barkley stays





bcs is still whack tho.

bama is clearly the 2nd best team in the country. but its still wacky as hell they can play for a national title when they not only didnt win their conference championship, but didnt even get to the game b/c they didnt win their division.

pissed me off to see ok st lose to the shit that is iowa st and fall from 2 to 4, then worm their way back to 3 and actually think theyre good enough to win a title against lsu. a loss is a loss, screw this "quality" loss crap, especially when its to an unranked crap team. i dont care if it went to 8 overtimes and they lost by a field goal, it never should have come to that if they were championship caliber vs a team like that & they should have dropped to at least the top 15, not stayed in the top 5

more craziness ensues with the sugar bowl and that at large bid. somehow they pick michigan to play over say, msu. considering msu beat um, won the legends division outright, and lost in the title game on a shit penalty (among a few slight things, but thats obviously the glaring one) to a team they'd beaten in the regular season but still gets passed up for the at large bid (and just a reminder, the difference was 3 pts...quality loss? apparently not even tho it was to another ranked team in a conference champ game...why did okst get off so light with their muuuuch shittier loss?). so basically msu gets penalized for losing a championship game while um is rewarded for sitting on the sidelines. granted had msu won they wouldve gone to the rose bowl, but even if they won wisc would have been passed up for the sugar bowl too, and um still would have ended up going which is just as bad. and not only does um get a better bowl than msu, but they get an easier opponent. smh,

 

[(Hass)]

sec......not that good as a whole

lsu and bama are clearly the 2 best teams in the country. arkansas, s. car, and georgia are pretty good, the rest sucked this year, and with the exception of flordia have sucked for longer



+ i like how none of the espn people brought up the fact georgia lost its 1st two games of the year, one of which to the "joke" school, boise st, & had its coach on the hot seat, but then THATS the team that they kept saying has the best chance to take down lsu. please.



big 10 is on the rise back to the top, especially with the sec connections urban will bring to not only osu, but the conference as a whole. dropping minn & indiana wouldnt hurt either

pac 12 is pretty soft outside oregon, stanford and usc but they still have hope. and usc is constantly a national threat so itll be interesting to see what they do now the bowl ban is up, especially if barkley stays

you say sec isn't good as a whole, and then go on to list 5 teams that are top 15 in the nation from the sec...?



take the 5 teams you listed against any other conference's best 5, match them up, and sec will come out on top every single time.



in football, the first game of the year is ALWAYS OFFENSIVE BASED, take LSU vs Oregon or Saints vs Green Bay. and, throughout the year, teams never get better, practice, play better as a team, or anything... I forgot.



urban won't win a national title at osu. he won national titles at UF because of the players that were already there... look at UF now, who's players are those? HIS

 

[Druiddroid]

a lot of state fans have been steaming over the BCS, as a michigan fan I can only post this picture

 

[(Hass)]

a lot of state fans have been steaming over the BCS, as a michigan fan I can only post this picture

I would have loved LSU to destroy OSU. Big 12 doesn't have any room to talk, they had their chance with Texas v Alabama, and colt pussed out. These are the two best teams in the nation hands down, and they're playing for the title, which is why they were selected.

 

[Shermaan]

English football, the REAL football ftw <3

 

[Falkor]

you say sec isn't good as a whole, and then go on to list 5 teams that are top 15 in the nation from the sec...?



take the 5 teams you listed against any other conference's best 5, match them up, and sec will come out on top every single time.



in football, the first game of the year is ALWAYS OFFENSIVE BASED, take LSU vs Oregon or Saints vs Green Bay. and, throughout the year, teams never get better, practice, play better as a team, or anything... I forgot.



urban won't win a national title at osu. he won national titles at UF because of the players that were already there... look at UF now, who's players are those? HIS

uhhhhh well for one georgia lost to boise st....so OBVISOULY they will not win every single time, 10-3 record too. s car. isnt always good, and this year they werent too special with dismissing their qb and their rb getting hurt. arkansas' only two losses are to lsu and bama so thats understandable. pac12, big 12 and big 10 have teams that could match up to the top 5 sec teams, nobody is unbeatable

and outside those 5 the rest of the sec is shit....teams like vandy, kentucky, ole miss, miss st, tenn, auburn, and flordia sucked a fat nut this year and years past. so thats great theres 5 good teams, but looking at the conference as a whole is not too impressive. even alabama only had 3 wins over teams over 500 or somethin, and only a few wins over ranked opponents. now the catch is they're still a good team with their nfl caliber defense and offense (not special teams lul), but they havent really shown it this year.

for 2 only four sec teams are in the top 15 (georgia being #16). the big 12 has 4 teams in the top 15....are you saying theyre just as good?!



i have no idea what you mean by the first game is always offensive based, how that correlates to anything you or i previously said, or anything....i think you were just rambling there



as much as i hate osu they will be back to their winning ways soon. tressel won a title there and went back to the show too, so if you were implying its not possible for osu or the big 10 to win a title, youre flat out wrong. urban is a good coach and a good recruiter with ties to the southern thugs now, and they will come



are the 2 best teams playing in the title game? i would say so. does bama deserve it? fuck no...they lost (again, not a quality loss), didnt win their division, didnt win their championship game, and still get to play in the title game....much like UM they're getting rewarded for sitting on the bench and losing, which is completely fucked up. id be more in favor of a playoff with at least 1v4, 2v3 then winners go for the title. the only thing people could bitch about is a team getting a "lucky" win and denying the "best" team in the country....but thats football, you gotta keep winning to be the best, not just have a bunch of nfl bound athletes (cough, bama, cough) so make them prove it.

everything was still just so screwed up. okst shouldnt even be whining, they should be thankful they were miraculously dropped only 2 spots losing to an unranked team in the first place and even given a chance. that being said id rather see them try against lsu then a rematch game. b/c who knows, okst could have came with a great game plan and beaten #1. you didnt see UM osu rematch for the title when they were 1, 2 after a "quality loss", nope. but this is seeeew much different

 

[saxxon]

what the hell are u yanks talking about

 

[Inkobah]

The SEC is hands down the best conference in the country. I don't think you can refute that when the last 6 BCS National Champions were SEC teams. In 5 of those championship games the non-SEC school lost (this year ofc it will be 2 SEC schools). Even if the game odds are 50/50, 5 consecutive losses by the non-SEC school?? Even the "lower rung" teams the SEC are better than a lot of teams in other conferences. Mark my words, the SEC will clean up in the bowls this year against non-SEC teams.



Having said that, the BCS is ridiculous and should go away. Rick Reilly on ESPN.com had a good article about it...and Boise State has a compelling case against the BCS being overlooked at 7 for a team ranked 13. Arkansas was ranked 6 and overlooked for a BCS game due to the "rules"...which by the way are the same rules that allows Bama to play in the Championship Game w/o even winning their division and their conference (though I agree Bama's berth is warranted - I just think the "rules" are ludicrous). The BCS is all about the money and not about finding out the best teams in the country. Hopefully in our lifetime they'll finally decide to implement a playoff system.



-Ink



P.S. While we're on the topic of sports, TMQ is the best sports article in the biz. Though it pertains to NFL football mainly, he has some good things to say about the BCS.

 

[Falkor]

thats like saying the mountain west would be the best conference if bosie st had won multiple championships...its just invalid. does the sec have a lot of talent and a few powerhouse teams? yeah....but over half the conference sucks ass too. they might be better than the laughable conferences like the acc and big east, c usa, etc...but the shit half (or 2/3s) of the sec would lose to pac 12/big 10/big 12 schools



playoff system would be better imo to find out who really deserves it. that way bama couldnt lose their playoff game and hope to get a title still, they'd actually have to play and not just point to their roster stocked with nfl talent that decided not to perform for whatever reason



boise was overlooked b/c they didnt win their conference since they douched it to tcu. i feel bad that they keep missing a bcs or title game by small margins the past years....but honestly you cant feel too bad when they should have just won. they beat teams like oregon va tech georgia etc. but then they lose to nevada last year and tcu this year. they have some of the worst kickers under pressure - but the thing of it is, they should have never been in a position to win by only a field goal when they play poor comp. just like okst they controlled their destiny and fucked up easy games. so on one hand i feel bad they can beat top tier teams consistantly, and get over looked by writers, analysts, bcs bowls, but on the other hand they would look a lot better if they didnt consistantly drop easy games to conference opponents.

the screwy parts come in for rankings like va tech who was #5 before losing to clemson last weekend even tho they play in a crap conference and werent undefeated. thats what got stanfords head coach scratching his head since the pac 12 is stronger than the acc and stanford lost to (at the time) a much stronger opponent, yet they were like 7th. and again, okst loses to a crappy unranked team late in the season and only fall 2 spots? you shittin me? at large bids are all about the money and UM has a lot of wallmart wolverine fans, i know i sure as hell wont be watching that shit bowl though

 

[Inkobah]

thats like saying the mountain west would be the best conference if bosie st had won multiple championships...its just invalid. does the sec have a lot of talent and a few powerhouse teams? yeah....but over half the conference sucks ass too. they might be better than the laughable conferences like the acc and big east, c usa, etc...but the shit half (or 2/3s) of the sec would lose to pac 12/big 10/big 12 schools

No. The SEC plays 8 conference games out of 12 games (13 if you make the conference championship). It would be absolutely impossible for every team in the SEC to have great records because they're all playing against each other. Take for instance Tennessee. Tennessee finished 5-7 (1-7 in the SEC). Tennessee was a beast of a team early in the year but lost its best receiver (Justin Hunter) for the year in the Florida game and lost its starting QB (Tyler Bray) in the Georgia game for 5 games (I think - going off memory there). I know injuries happen, but throw in the fact that they lost to Georgia, South Carolina, Arkansas, LSU, and Alabama (all ranked in the top 25 and 4 of them in the top 10) this year and they start to look like a better team than their records indicates. Going into the Georgia game (and before they lost their QB) they had a top 10 offense (stat-wise) in the country.



Or let's take Florida (who everyone says had an off year). They finished 6-6 (3-5 conference record). Their 5 conference loses came from South Carolina, Georgia, Auburn, LSU, and Alabama. All of those teams are in the top 25 (and 4 are in the top 10). Suddenly they look better than their 6-6 record indicates because they played better teams than everyone else outside the SEC.



We could go all day with the various teams in the SEC and find the same results. Place any SEC team in another conference and they'll have a higher record, but when you're playing week in and week out against teams that are amazing, the standings are always going to look worse than your team actually is. No other conference in the country can come close to matching the sheer power of the SEC and I would be shocked if we don't see direct proof of this when Missouri and Texas A&M struggle heavily in the SEC. This doesn't mean that it'll last forever...it just means that as of late, the SEC is king.



Also, you can't ignore the fact that 6 champions in a row came from the SEC, they have 4 teams in the top 10 (most in nation), 6 teams in the top 25 (most in nation), and have the best non-conference record since 2000 (247-95).



Have you been to an SEC home game? It's unbelievable. I've been to a lot of football games and have lived in Indiana, Tennessee, Florida, and Colorado and can tell you that I've never seen crazier fans than when I was in SEC areas (though I hear the state of Texas is similar). SEC football is life in those areas and I think a lot of potential recruits love that atmosphere and therefore pick to go to SEC schools.



-Ink

 

[Falkor]

obviously some teams are going to come out losers in the sec, but there is a clear top 3-4 and a clear bottom. tenn came out strong? they won 3 out of their 1st 4 but look at the teams they played...buffalo, montant, cinci, and lost to flordia, wow tough start! even bama just beats up on terrible teams...kent state, northern texas, georgia southern, the only half way decent one was penn state but they werent even that good this year. its hard to say they're heads and shoulders above everyone when they play SOFT nonconference games then beat up on the weaker half of the conference. pac12 big 12 big 10 need to start working with the sec and scheduling some more nonconference games and ease off these easy Ws that do nothing but pad the w/l column. and "elite" teams from acc/big east and other teams like boise that want recognition.



i get your argument but that could be said about any conference. big 10 12 and pac 12 all play a ton of conference games so itd be impossible for all of them to have great records too. but in the big 10 10/12 teams were bowl eligible and if you take out minn and indiana the combined records looks a whole lot better



when you look at the secs top teams and their standings in the top 25 its hard to say they're not the best conference. but when you factor in how bad the bottom teams are, and not just b/c they lose to other sec teams, it gets muddier. nobody likes to talk about vandy kentucky etc when talking about sec power, but theyre part of the conference. as much as people talk about georgia now, everyone was up in arms and putting mark on the hot seat when they lost their 1st 2 games...one of which was to boise. which just goes to show that you should give teams a chance. as much talent as bama has, you never know if okst or another team could have beaten lsu if given the chance and with the current system we'll never know

 

[(Hass)]

why must you insist on posting walls and walls and walls of texts, fml I want to respond but it's just not even worth reading all your shit.

 

[Falkor]

if reading is so hard, yuoninternets

 

[Inkobah]

why must you insist on posting walls and walls and walls of texts, fml I want to respond but it's just not even worth reading all your shit.

It's a filter to get the people who shouldn't be in the discussion out of the discussion.

Falkor, I'm in agreement with most of what you're saying. I especially agree that Boise needs to be given some chances (though part of that is on the AD for not giving his school more opportunities, but perhaps he was limited by other ADs). I just think the stats over the last couple years speak for themselves as to the dominance of the SEC. But I'm sure there will come a time where another conference will jump ahead in dominance. Also, be kind to Tennessee...they did beat a fluff Montana school but handily beat a solid Cincy team and were very competitive in the Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina games (despite key injuries). While Tennessee has had some rough years of late, they've had a national championship more recent than most of the other teams in the country ('98).



-Ink

 

[(Hass)]

It's a filter to get the people who shouldn't be in the discussion out of the discussion.

Falkor, I'm in agreement with most of what you're saying. I especially agree that Boise needs to be given some chances (though part of that is on the AD for not giving his school more opportunities, but perhaps he was limited by other ADs). I just think the stats over the last couple years speak for themselves as to the dominance of the SEC. But I'm sure there will come a time where another conference will jump ahead in dominance. Also, be kind to Tennessee...they did beat a fluff Montana school but handily beat a solid Cincy team and were very competitive in the Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina games (despite key injuries). While Tennessee has had some rough years of late, they've had a national championship more recent than most of the other teams in the country ('98).



-Ink

Boises needs chances? Boise needs to play in a real conference instead of playing a high ranking team that's in the rebuilding mode due to the loss of key players from last season but still ranked high because rankings are jacked up. Again, first game of the year means a lot right?



As far as Tennessee goes, they'll come back around. When Kiffin left, he was in the process of rebuilding, so they had to start over, AGAIN.

as much talent as bama has, you never know if okst or another team could have beaten lsu if given the chance and with the current system we'll never know

I would agree, but, you forget that okst lost to Iowa freaking State... to be a championship team, you don't have relapses.

 

[Falkor]

Boises needs chances? Boise needs to play in a real conference instead of playing a high ranking team that's in the rebuilding mode due to the loss of key players from last season but still ranked high because rankings are jacked up. Again, first game of the year means a lot right?



As far as Tennessee goes, they'll come back around. When Kiffin left, he was in the process of rebuilding, so they had to start over, AGAIN.





I would agree, but, you forget that okst lost to Iowa freaking State... to be a championship team, you don't have relapses.

boise does need to be in a real conference. and sadly the big east isnt that....but its a start. i dont have inside knowledge but i would say the problem is with other ads; either they're scared of boise, or they already have contractual games they cant get out of. boise does try to schedule real games as much as possible though. they travel hundreds of miles to take on ranked teams like oregon, va tech, and georgia and beat them in their home stadiums. its sad that they seem to crumble when the end goal is in sight...but they have beaten top tier teams in hostile territory consistently and at some point or another they should be given a shot.



okst had a bad loss, which sucks for them. if i had a say in the bcs rankings i would have dropped them to at least the top 15 after that loss and removed them from the convo instead of putting them to 4, and then letting them back to 3 a week later. however thats how it went down and given the chance i think they (or any team that took their spot) could have rebounded and had a chance to put in a good game plan, but we'll never know.

as far as relapses...bama is great, dont get me wrong, but thats what they had against lsu at home, and now they get redemption. i dont doubt bama is a contender for the best team in the nation, but they did lose, they did not win their division (and obviously their conf. champ game), so how is it fair to other teams to basically look at their roster and toss them back in. now this is a rather unique year with all the bcs meltdowns late in the season....but with the new "super" conferences and such its gonna be hard for anyone to walk away from a season undefeated, so there clearly needs to be some tweaks to the system to prevent "unfair" bcs picks, and hopefully talk of a playoff system can be tossed around more often



as far as tenn and cinci....cinci is not a great team. their fbs rankings are weak, and their conference is soft. as far as i can tell their only game against a ranked opponent was west virginia, and they lost. and wv is pretty poopy.



ps i hope bama was able to get their kicking game taken care of, sheeeesh. seems to be an excess of kickers that cant hit clutch shots the past couple years, and not just at bama or boise

 

[Goma]

kellen moore is married



sec is the greatest conference of all time