Screams of the past - Pre-BC Raiding / 60 twink pvp

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Guild: Screams of the Past (SOP)

Server: Draka (US - PVE)

PreBC Raid Guild / Twink PvP PreBC Raid Guild / Twink PvP PreBC Raid Guild / Twink PvP

Website: Screams of the Past

Raiding: Monday, Wednesday, Thursday @ 6:30pm. Saturday 8pm. All other nights are optional. Raid times are CST.



Recruitment video

[video=youtube;mXXaGoCBbsg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXXaGoCBbsg&feature=player_embedded[/video]



Screams of the Past is the oldest Classic Raiding Guild in WoW. We are focused on Classic WoW Raiding. We raid BWL, MC, ZG, AQ20, AQ40, and World Dragons every week. If you miss Classic Raiding and want to raid this content again, or try it out for the first time. We would love to have you fight along side with us.





So Why Screams of the Past?



1) Because you were a PreBC raider and enjoyed the content.

2) Because you got 7/8 T1 or T2 and want the full set.

3) Because you have never seen this content before. (without clearing it in 10 min with other 80's)

4) You enjoy Vanilla WoW better than the Xpacs



Rules & Requirements

(If you can't meet these you need not apply)

- No BC/WOLK gear, enchants, glyphs, or consumables in guild raids. (twink gear allowed for pvp)

- Ventrilo (must have)

- No shamans, death knights, or Draenei characters in the guild, even as alts.

- Decent raid attendance

- Xp-off or vanilla account



What can Sotp provide for you?

Sotp is one of the oldest and most stable pre-bc raid guilds around. We use a open auction webdkp system for loot. We clear all 60 raid content on a consistent basis and always have people on to run dungeons & pvp with. Six tab guild bank full of pre-bc items and the list goes on and on. If a pre-bc feel is what your looking for Sotp is the truest to vanilla raiding as it comes.



Recruitment:

Check our site for needed classes.

If you have any questions, contact: Kithkaid, Brewce, Llynnain, Aerinis ingame or visit our site atScreams of the Past for more info.
 
Kushington said:
What's going to happen when Cata comes aren't most of the good 60 raids being removed or changed?
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whats going to happen when you're still an idiot...
 
Its not a legit question subpar, if he wasn't a lazy fool, he would have researched it, and found multiple blue posts and updates with nothing removed but ZG.



Also, I like SoTP, but i never understood why they do not allow shamans or draenei, such a waste of shammy gear imo.
 
Mulciber said:
Also, I like SoTP, but i never understood why they do not allow shamans or draenei, such a waste of shammy gear imo.
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The reason being is screams is trying to stay as true as possible to vanilla wow. So much has changed its harder these days, but by limiting as much as that is controllable we can keep it true as possible. The shaman gear doe's goto waste, but their also were no shamans on alliance pre-bc.
 
I was thinking the same thing as Mulciber but, I guess if you did want to stay "true" BC then yea it does make sense since it is an alliance guild(which I did not notice until now). Even though shaman gear would go to somewhat of a waste.
 
Redbeards said:
The reason being is screams is trying to stay as true as possible to vanilla wow. So much has changed its harder these days, but by limiting as much as that is controllable we can keep it true as possible. The shaman gear doe's goto waste, but their also were no shamans on alliance pre-bc.
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Hate to break it to ya, Vanilla wow is gone, and it will be gone forever. I don't understand the point in DE'ing all that gear that could go to a shaman. Its not like not having shamans make it any harder in your raids.



To each his own I guess.
 
enchants, gear, and consumables i understand...but why not glyphs? might as well say "only vanilla talents"

idk, just 2cents

does seem like a cool guild and im making a 60 rogue atm & have a 60 tank/dps war, but not really interested in xfering, id just reroll if i was srs about it
 
As said before, the goal for Sotp is to keep it as true to vanilla "As possible." DE'ing shaman gear isn't that big of a deal really. Far as glyphs, there was no glyphs pre-bc thats why we don't use them. Like i said the things we can control we do, Some things cannot be limited like talents. Trust if we could make it so you could only use pre-bc talents we would. The guild is for people who love old wow and thats how we try to keep it.
 
Okay but, you can't try to claim to be that legit with this logic.



"Far as glyphs, there was no glyphs pre-bc thats why we don't use them. "



There was no shockwave, yet your warrior tanks use them every pull.



Paladins couldn't tank anything past MC.



There was no titans grip.



My point here isn't that these abilities make the raid drastically easier, my point is that you don't try your best to keep the guild as vanilla as possible, you just limit the obvious: glyphs, enchants, consumables, draenie.



I am a fan of old wow content, I am the GM of a 60 raiding guild 6/9 AQ 40 cleared, I am in no way bashing your guilds dedication... but for a guild that claims so much, i find the logic to be a bit off balance.
 
I'm not sure what this guild "claims" SCreams has been going since Jan 2009 and has cleared all the content using the least amount of enhancements from the expansions as possible. And still continues to do so. They don't claim anything really besides the obvious.



Now in my own opinion the logic of any 60 raid guild is flawed. not only in sotp but your own. You can't recreate classic wow everyone knows this. I enjoyed the content so going back to it i picked the guild that is the closest possible to it. Screams is the closest to pre-bc raiding as it gets. Thats a fact. I also picked screams because they are consistent, they raid when they say they are going to raid and always clear the content. Your guild is 60 Twinks raiding 60 content. Your using gem gear and wrath enchants. That is all good and fine, im sure its still alot of fun. Me personally when i look at my toon and try to remember the past seeing epic gems in it doesn't remind me of that nor does it feel like 60 raiding to me.



Like i said, to each his own. Both guild support 60's just in their own ways. either way is fine.
 
You guys don't clear it any harder than we do. The only difference between our guilds is our tanks have about 500 more HP, and most our dps is consistantly about 100-200 more than yours....
 
the content isn't harder for us because we fill raids up larger then you can. If I used all my wrath enchanted and BC gem gear to clear the content It would HAVE TO BE easier then what i use now. I don't know why you feel the need to shoot down every guild that isn't your own on these forums. Your on a different faction, on a different server, in a different battle group that raids on different days and times. Every thread your in you shoot down the guild posting or tell them to merge with you. i don't get it . .
 
Mulciber said:
Okay but, you can't try to claim to be that legit with this logic.



"Far as glyphs, there was no glyphs pre-bc thats why we don't use them. "



There was no shockwave, yet your warrior tanks use them every pull.



Paladins couldn't tank anything past MC.



There was no titans grip.



My point here isn't that these abilities make the raid drastically easier, my point is that you don't try your best to keep the guild as vanilla as possible, you just limit the obvious: glyphs, enchants, consumables, draenie.



I am a fan of old wow content, I am the GM of a 60 raiding guild 6/9 AQ 40 cleared, I am in no way bashing your guilds dedication... but for a guild that claims so much, i find the logic to be a bit off balance.
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First of all, our guild doesn't brag or make claims about our level of "purity" with regard to how closely we try to recreate the vanilla raiding experience. And if any of my guildmember are doing so point it out to me and I'll tell them to STFU. It's simply stated in the rules what is and what isn't allowed as far as gear/enchants/glyphs/etc.



With regard to 51pt talents, which is what everyone likes to rag on our guild about, here's the deal: We're trying to recreate the classic raiding experience as close as possible but we also have to fill raids. 51 point talents in some cases make things easier but in other cases just make things less boring. For example, as a mage if I could only use 31pt talents Arcane wouldn't be playable at all and Fire and Frost would be 2 and 1 spell spam respectively. 31pts doesn't make playing a mage harder, just more boring. And in the case of druids, priests, and paladins, being forced to heal because that's all you can do also doesn't contribute to lasting participation. Besides, using 51pt talents pales in comparison to the other game changes that make classic content much easier now. And in two weeks we're getting the Cata talent changes anyway so it's a moot point entirely.
 
I ain't shooting down your guild. If you read what I said, I like what you guys do. I was just putting my opinion out there on a forum.... stop getting so mad bro.
 
Surely you can love vanilla wow with a blend of new wow to make it a cooler super wow? Like all the other 60s?

I understand where your coming from but your not being that true to old wow. Does anyone who doesnt comply to your vanilla enchants and stuff get gkicked?

When cata hits in pvp you guys are going to be a huge disadvantage.
 
Lotatotems said:
Surely you can love vanilla wow with a blend of new wow to make it a cooler super wow? Like all the other 60s?

I understand where your coming from but your not being that true to old wow. Does anyone who doesnt comply to your vanilla enchants and stuff get gkicked?

When cata hits in pvp you guys are going to be a huge disadvantage.
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We use twink gear (i.e. wrath encahnts and bc gear) for pvp. The only restrictions are for PVE raiding. We have no pvp restrictions.
 
I have thought about applying to your guild until I noticed the no wrath enchants on raid gear requirement. Every piece of gear I own is enchanted for maximum output on my twinkadin, makes my job as a healadin in raids that much easier keeping a tank up. Right now I am just looking for a new guild because 60 twink wise khaz is dead but then again khaz is a worthless server.
 
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