resto druid vs holy pally:offensive healer :D
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as a healer for the attking dps.Msragepaint
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One of my buddies had a Resto Druid twink and he kept telling me it was the best thing ever. Personally I would never play a paladin because I hate the class so I'd go w/ Resto Druid! Also - Travel form = success
justgotagm
Legend
hes saying running around with some dps whats better for healing them.
personally i love my resto druid and long hots are a beautiful thing, but pallies are just better. Resto druids travel form is nice for keeping up with your dps and running away if you get gang banged, but pallies armor and quicker heals are just better maybe a little noobish, but better.
personally i love my resto druid and long hots are a beautiful thing, but pallies are just better. Resto druids travel form is nice for keeping up with your dps and running away if you get gang banged, but pallies armor and quicker heals are just better maybe a little noobish, but better.
Mrcer
OG
Strengths for a Restro druid: They can easily heal a large group of people while sustaining a good manapool. Healing a large group of people is where a restro druid should be.
Weaknesses for a Restro Druid: Restro Druids are more vulnerable to most dps classes(especially melee). If a restro druid has to heal themselves against a lot of people, they will not last longer than most other classes.
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Strengths for a Holy Paladin: They can easily heal a small group while taking a lot of damage. Holy paladins can arguably take the most damage than any other class.
Weaknesses for a Holy Paladin: They struggle to heal a large group of people even with the new instant casts available at 19. If a Holy paladin was required to heal a large group of people, they will surely oom faster than most other classes or the team will die off.
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Common WSG PuG: It's common for there to be more people of Offense than Defense. It's also common for there to be less heals on Offense than there is on Defense; meaning there will be more people attacking on Offense than Defense.
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A restro druid cannot take as much damage compared to a holy paladin. However a restro druid can easily heal a large group of people better than a holy paladin can by far. There are two teams within one faction in WSG.: Offensive team and Defensive team. The offensive team are most likely going to fight a healer than they would a DPS. However if your on the Defensive team, your more likely to fight DPS than a healer. Since a Holy paladin can easily take more damage than a restro druid can, why in the world is everyone saying that a holy paladin should go on Offense? A restro druid is better fit to be on Offense vs a Holy paladin because they can heal a larger group and they are most likely going to take LESS damage on Offense. If the holy paladin is on D than they can easily heal a small group of people while taking damage from the enemies' offensive team vs a restro druid who would die much faster than a holy paladin.
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Conclusion: If I had to choose between one of two healers to be on the offensive team, a holy paladin or a restro druid; I would pick a Restro druid and have the holy paladin go on D. This will ensure a better survival chance of the FC and the rest of the Team.
Nuff Said.
Weaknesses for a Restro Druid: Restro Druids are more vulnerable to most dps classes(especially melee). If a restro druid has to heal themselves against a lot of people, they will not last longer than most other classes.
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Strengths for a Holy Paladin: They can easily heal a small group while taking a lot of damage. Holy paladins can arguably take the most damage than any other class.
Weaknesses for a Holy Paladin: They struggle to heal a large group of people even with the new instant casts available at 19. If a Holy paladin was required to heal a large group of people, they will surely oom faster than most other classes or the team will die off.
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Common WSG PuG: It's common for there to be more people of Offense than Defense. It's also common for there to be less heals on Offense than there is on Defense; meaning there will be more people attacking on Offense than Defense.
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A restro druid cannot take as much damage compared to a holy paladin. However a restro druid can easily heal a large group of people better than a holy paladin can by far. There are two teams within one faction in WSG.: Offensive team and Defensive team. The offensive team are most likely going to fight a healer than they would a DPS. However if your on the Defensive team, your more likely to fight DPS than a healer. Since a Holy paladin can easily take more damage than a restro druid can, why in the world is everyone saying that a holy paladin should go on Offense? A restro druid is better fit to be on Offense vs a Holy paladin because they can heal a larger group and they are most likely going to take LESS damage on Offense. If the holy paladin is on D than they can easily heal a small group of people while taking damage from the enemies' offensive team vs a restro druid who would die much faster than a holy paladin.
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Conclusion: If I had to choose between one of two healers to be on the offensive team, a holy paladin or a restro druid; I would pick a Restro druid and have the holy paladin go on D. This will ensure a better survival chance of the FC and the rest of the Team.
Nuff Said.
tamer
Legend
Mrcer said:
i hear what ur saying...but it just seems holy paladins can STILL out heal druids and make a bigger difference to the team.....if i have a holy pally healing me thru like 5 ppl we pretty much wont die with my dmg and the pally's healz...(that has actually happened b4) as for druids...their hots dont help much at all...i mean...they are pretty good at defensive healing...but if u think about it...a ret/prot pally FC and a holy pally healing the FC would be unbeatable
justgotagm
Legend
tamer put +15 agility on clawz gloves and get boots of fang for the 4 expertise.
mookjr
Legend
as a holy pally, i have to agree with mcer; druids are pretty tough on offensive heals.
That being said, most pugs are not organized enough for it to matter, so it becomes a wash there. I can heal at least 5 people on a rotation without much problem, so long as those people are organized and taking down opponents. if it is a stalement, then i will oom due to the need to cast my flash heal to keep people up.
I was up against a team that had two druids on their offense, plus a warrior and a warlock..and it was pretty much near impossible to kill their offense...
That being said, most pugs are not organized enough for it to matter, so it becomes a wash there. I can heal at least 5 people on a rotation without much problem, so long as those people are organized and taking down opponents. if it is a stalement, then i will oom due to the need to cast my flash heal to keep people up.
I was up against a team that had two druids on their offense, plus a warrior and a warlock..and it was pretty much near impossible to kill their offense...
Mrcer
OG
tamer said:
Saying a Restro Druids HoTs dont help much at all goes to show that you should stay as a feral druid and never attempt being a restro druid. I've played a Restro Druid since Pre-BC and til this day have I never seen my Rejuvenation NOT save someones life. A Druids HoTs are very helpful. They are actually not as useful while on D vs on O since if your on O your less likely going to fight a lot more DPS vs being on D. Rejuvenation is a Healing over Time. It has no burst but is good if someone is not taking a lot of damage. what makes you think rejuvenation's HoT is good for healing on D if your FC is taking damage from 4+ people? A Holy paladin is better suited for D since the FC or a Healer is more likely to be singled targeted. On Offense, the enemies DPS on D is never single targeting a player from your Offense team unless it's a healer but even so, there are a lot less DPS the enemies D than there is on the enemies O.
A Holy Paladin is MUCH BETTER at "Single Target Healing" than a Restro druid which is why they are so much better at being on D than O. They can keep their FC alive much longer than a Restro Druid(or should be able to depending on the person)
Bragh
OG
I have more times than my memory will let me, found myself at low health and DoT's on me. That would kill me if it were not for my HoT's. At least pre Cataclysm, what defined a druid, was the raw HoT potential.
When I went PuG and decided to never focus on dmg, and just heal. I could bash out 20 000 healing done in a 10 minutes long Warsong Gulch, simply by hots. back then! In my Healing/spellpower gear, my Rejevunation and regrowth did combined heal 200 hp each tick. Wich was quite powerfull, and usually we had a mage there to cast Amplify Magic. (this was really the Rogue, hunter, warrior era)
I do not know how it is now, but with swiftmend (I think I might have found a nice way to make use of it, just need to comfirm it more! Before casting swiftmend, cast regrowth then Reje, then swiftmend!, this removes the HoT from the regrowth and still heals you 300ish, but you get to keep the reje HoT which is a good amount of healing!) I'd imagine this be even more awsome! (TT for short Reje time)
When I went PuG and decided to never focus on dmg, and just heal. I could bash out 20 000 healing done in a 10 minutes long Warsong Gulch, simply by hots. back then! In my Healing/spellpower gear, my Rejevunation and regrowth did combined heal 200 hp each tick. Wich was quite powerfull, and usually we had a mage there to cast Amplify Magic. (this was really the Rogue, hunter, warrior era)
I do not know how it is now, but with swiftmend (I think I might have found a nice way to make use of it, just need to comfirm it more! Before casting swiftmend, cast regrowth then Reje, then swiftmend!, this removes the HoT from the regrowth and still heals you 300ish, but you get to keep the reje HoT which is a good amount of healing!) I'd imagine this be even more awsome! (TT for short Reje time)
Twinkiwinki
Legend
Easier to keep a pala interrupted/silence/whatever than a druid aswell.
Because of travel form/less need for casting heals/thorns (primarily vs rogues)
Because of travel form/less need for casting heals/thorns (primarily vs rogues)
Mrcer
OG
tamer said:
Sadly no. I can put 6 Rejuvenation HoTs on 6 Different people in 6 seconds while your able to cast one Holy Shock every 6 seconds? Do you seriously want to debate this?
Holy Paladins definitely can take more direct damage than a druid can and even though we have swiftmend now, I still think Holy Paladins can keep a FC alive longer than a Restro druid but don't even think for a minute than a single holy paladin can heal better than a Druid's HoTs can. Holy Paladins are specifically designed to heal no more than a single target and themselves. Restro Druids are designed to be able to throw a heal to every single person in a raid without completely running out of mana.
When it comes to healing a single person, sure a holy paladin can heal better than a Druid's HoT but this isn't D, we are discussing O. and on O there are hardly any single-targeting going on against the O team. Meaning a Druid's HoT are perfect because he/she can put a HoT on every single person(and keep them alive) since USUALLY, no one is picked out and is taking dmg from 5 people unlike a FC who is most likely the one being targeted by half the team if not more. A Holy Paladin is better put on D while a Restro druid should stay on O.
Nuff Said.