Premading Alliance vs Horde

(Hass)

(Hass)

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What do you think is the better side to premade on if given a choice?



If most of the horde team is belf, besides warrior, it's pointless for the alliance premading team to use an arcane mage due to the fact belf has arcane resist, therefore alliance should use a shaman. Horde guilds have the advantage in todays premading game. Thoughts?
 
I would agree that belf racials give a definite advantage, both on O and D, but 2min trinks on human healers at least somewhat balance it out.
 
(Hass) said:
What do you think is the better side to premade on if given a choice?



If most of the horde team is belf, besides warrior, it's pointless for the alliance premading team to use an arcane mage due to the fact belf has arcane resist, therefore alliance should use a shaman. Horde guilds have the advantage in todays premading game. Thoughts?
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Lold



Alliance.

2 min trink. 2 AGMs. Extra 300 hp.

A free sprint and increased crit dmg.

Gnomes have arcane resist too.

Draenei gets a free HoT and increased hit.



I'd rather be a human than undead.
 
Id rather have Belfs, just because they have double or triple silence/cc to stop heals is just too good. 1 well timed silence can mean death for someone in premades/in general
 
tauren stomp is baller.

arcane torrent is baller.

Goblin Jump, if used correctly, is for most classes the best racial in the bracket. (BECAUSE TRINKET CD IS IRELLEVANT IF DAT GOUGE/HOJ IS OUT OF RANGE.)
 
Fortt durp.. You already have an AGM so +1 = extra 120 HP, still 120+120= 300 ?



Either way, horde have the advantage.



Belf get a silence on top of their arcane resist. I can live with the resistance,

but the silence wtf? It makes it even worse when 70% of horde are Belf.



There is a lack of silence's at 19 if you hadn't noticed. Horde fixed that problem



I guess you can argue the fact that humans have a 2 min trink, could make our D a little bit beefier,

but Sap-sheep-scatter-counterspell it isnt over.. aoe silence to make sure none of these kids get a heal.



Where does the trinket save a life ?
 
Honestly sometimes it feels as tho its alliance vs blood elves. It seems as tho when you combine the arcane torrent racial with another silence ability its ownage from my experiance. I always get roflstomped by mages and hunters, They hit me hard from a distance, and then when i try to heal im silenced by either arcane torrent or a counterspell/scattershot. I dont premade so I can only speculate how much this also effects premades, but I think its safe to say its a big advantage having that second ability. Do I blame peaple for rolling blood elf? No, its clearly one of the best races for horde as far as the perks go, and considering that the 19 bracket is pretty bursty in terms of damage ( not as much as some of the higher brackets tho), that silence can win the fight alot of times, and even make or break a game.
 
the sprint on worgen changes games more than the silence from belves imo, making it out of the ally base and surviving is difficult, making it out and surviving an offense sprinting at you is almost impossible
 
Grizzlefoot said:
the sprint on worgen changes games more than the silence from belves imo, making it out of the ally base and surviving is difficult, making it out and surviving an offense sprinting at you is almost impossible
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eh a single conc/FB/sap/any CC or slow whatsoever renders it useless



if the entire team is sprinting at you youre probably going to have your team with you aswell- and the silences will be more usefull in a group fight then a 40% speed increase
 
Mass said:
Fortt durp.. You already have an AGM so +1 = extra 120 HP, still 120+120= 300 ?



Either way, horde have the advantage.



Belf get a silence on top of their arcane resist. I can live with the resistance,

but the silence wtf? It makes it even worse when 70% of horde are Belf.



There is a lack of silence's at 19 if you hadn't noticed. Horde fixed that problem



I guess you can argue the fact that humans have a 2 min trink, could make our D a little bit beefier,

but Sap-sheep-scatter-counterspell it isnt over.. aoe silence to make sure none of these kids get a heal.



Where does the trinket save a life ?
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if you have 3 ppl chaining cc's on u there r bigger issues at play
 
Overkill said:
Honestly sometimes it feels as tho its alliance vs blood elves. It seems as tho when you combine the arcane torrent racial with another silence ability its ownage from my experiance. I always get roflstomped by mages and hunters, They hit me hard from a distance, and then when i try to heal im silenced by either arcane torrent or a counterspell/scattershot. I dont premade so I can only speculate how much this also effects premades, but I think its safe to say its a big advantage having that second ability. Do I blame peaple for rolling blood elf? No, its clearly one of the best races for horde as far as the perks go, and considering that the 19 bracket is pretty bursty in terms of damage ( not as much as some of the higher brackets tho), that silence can win the fight alot of times, and even make or break a game.
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I agree, Ally vs Belfs
 
The ability for anyone on your team, despite of class/skill, to contribute in locking down the other team from casting spells for a couple of seconds in a bracket where it only takes a couple of seconds to burst a fully geared player down is obviously the best option. 120 more hp is negligible and 2 min trinket is negligible against multiple BE silence's in a bracket with low survivability and almost no defensive cd's to last through minor cc's, like at 85. When I hear that horde 19's are defending the stacking of the blood elf racial by stating: "Top end arena players play human." I almost laugh at the fact they can't distinguish the huge difference between 19's and 85's.



There's nothing wrong with playing BE's for their amazing racial, the problem is when an entire premade stacks them. If there is a class per premade limit I see no reason why there shouldn't be a race per premade limit to balance factions, as well as classes.



Considering Blizzard won't balance our bracket for us, it seems like a reasonable thing to make balance in the bracket for ourselves.



Happy Thanksgiving! gobble gobble
 
Cannabis12 said:
if your defense is shit and healers stack ontop of each other
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Holy dick, I was about to repeat this for the 400th time, but somehow you beat me to it.



Two AGM's and 2 min Trink atm is the best Racial in the bracket. And anyone complaining about BE silence obviously didn't play BC when they also sucked mana, be happy it got nerfed.



Just run a Voice Amp and you solved the problem, it actually cuts down the time a decent amount and 3 stam wasn't doing you any favors anyways. Plus if you accidentally eat a kick or shock it helps that too.



I am seriously fixing this bracket, one post at a time.
 
Cannabis12 said:
if your defense is shit and healers stack ontop of each other
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Yeah who moves to healers to cc them in this game? Apparently nobody you know.



Cannabis if you took a step back to realize how dumb you sound all the time you might not sound quite so dumb all the time.
 
Senr said:
Holy dick, I was about to repeat this for the 400th time, but somehow you beat me to it.



Two AGM's and 2 min Trink atm is the best Racial in the bracket. And anyone complaining about BE silence obviously didn't play BC when they also sucked mana, be happy it got nerfed.



Just run a Voice Amp and you solved the problem, it actually cuts down the time a decent amount and 3 stam wasn't doing you any favors anyways. Plus if you accidentally eat a kick or shock it helps that too.



I am seriously fixing this bracket, one post at a time.
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Maybe back in WotLK when there was not as much burst- but being able to silence two healers (with two arcane torrents) is going to be more beneficial then human racials.
 
Cannabis12 said:
if your defense is shit and healers stack ontop of each other
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Yeah or you know, the BEs can just get on one of the healers.. who the fuck cares about both? You have 5-7 BEs on O, I'm sure you can figure it out. If not, ask your mom
 
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