New 3.3 restrictions

caribou

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New features for 3.3, pardon my english this is translated from french :



* Talents : Button to show talents is now shown since lvl 1 but greyed until lvl 10.

* Achievements : The achievement button is now greyed and available at lvl 10.

* PvP : Access button to PvP interface is now greyed and available at lvl 10.

* Searching groups : Access button to dungeons interface is now greyed and available at lvl 15.



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WTF ?
 
I put a post on the Test Realm forums about this.



It can be found here:

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Players below Level 10 can't get cheeves?



not much posting attention yet (not like the level1 raid nerf), but it has been confirmed by at least 1 post.



I agree Ego...in all honesty with the ease and casual raiding direction that Blizz has taken...the only source of fun I've had since 2.4 has been twinking (I loved doing it before...but I loved endgame more).



My guild mowed through Toc:25 ... ToC10:H was a joke ... the hardest thing this games presented in 6 months was trying to get 39 people in a raid to get my For The Horde! cheeve...if they take that away from me...



bring on Knights of the Old Republic i guess....
 
I don't even see the logic behind half of blizzards changes, it's like they are trying to make everyone focus on getting to 80, and if you don't like that, they are going to force you there anyways.



Sigh, blizzard :(
 
Found this thread:



World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Are they taking achievements from level 1s?



that covers cheeves...i don't know about pvp though...so if your gonna get 100k :) you've gotta less than a month



@caribou I'm assuming you mean talents instead of skills being gray? Skills would include weapon skill that is still needed ... we can't access the talent screen anyway so it would make sense for it to be gray
 
chubs said:
@caribou I'm assuming you mean talents instead of skills being gray? Skills would include weapon skill that is still needed ... we can't access the talent screen anyway so it would make sense for it to be gray
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Yes i did, I edited the first post.
 
Actually Ego, most of what they did made sense to me.

its just that people are forgetting that this is an RPG not a totally own whoever you want festival of goodness and happy flowers. =8-D



when you consider it as it should, that is an RPG, you understand how gear and skills are suppposed to be good for all levels and not just a few, i can understand a good guy greatly geared killing a guy 10 level above him... very hard, but doable... but right now level 1 twinks actually kill with ease up to 15 levels above them. and can even push it to the level 20 limit. you'd have to agree that in a real RPG oriented game, this should of not be supposed to be from the start !



the same is true for anything else... my 29 hunter friend actually killed a level 60 guy with ease that truly wasn't supposed to happen at all.



The problem is that it took so much time to blizz to understand this concept and the game has become quite popular that now doing changes can only bring disasters. but i like the attitude they have now, bring the disaster anyway and we'll see after it passed. that way you see what your players truly want even if you make them brag about it.



i dont think achivements will be going away though.
 
Btw Ego, why quit when you have a "grandfathered" title?. Seeing a lot of ppl want the of the horde title. Making it impossible to obtain it is in my eyes another reason to keep playing. If its about quitting or not.



I don't think this is happening though.
 
Time to dissect this.



ArthurianKnight said:
Actually Ego, most of what they did made sense to me.

its just that people are forgetting that this is an RPG not a totally own whoever you want festival of goodness and happy flowers. =8-D



when you consider it as it should, that is an RPG, you understand how gear and skills are suppposed to be good for all levels and not just a few, i can understand a good guy greatly geared killing a guy 10 level above him... very hard, but doable... but right now level 1 twinks actually kill with ease up to 15 levels above them. and can even push it to the level 20 limit. you'd have to agree that in a real RPG oriented game, this should of not be supposed to be from the start !



the same is true for anything else... my 29 hunter friend actually killed a level 60 guy with ease that truly wasn't supposed to happen at all.



The problem is that it took so much time to blizz to understand this concept and the game has become quite popular that now doing changes can only bring disasters. but i like the attitude they have now, bring the disaster anyway and we'll see after it passed. that way you see what your players truly want even if you make them brag about it.



i dont think achivements will be going away though.
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-This is an RPG, but they have it set up in a manor so that even on a PvP server, the opposition must flag before attacking, thus resulting in there fault. What you said is pretty much saying it's unfair that 80s can gank lowbies. The game has the PvP mechanic implemented for a reason, not all of us are carebears.



-You apparently don't support any twinking, please get off this site. You treat a level 1 twink like he is different from any other tier. If people die, it's there fault for not having better gear. To prove this to a friend, I rolled a brand new ally on his server, ran to stormwind and accumulated over 500g in just 3 days, so don't give me that "butt thay dunt hav da $$" bullshit. This goes ESPECIALLY on a PvP server, if you are dying in pvp to someone lower level just because of a gear gap, take some time to save some gold and get your gear up to par with theirs and let the hit rating system fix the rest.



-29 kills a 60, I hope you're joking, or the 60 must be a fucking idiot. I really don't see any way that is possible taking in the factors of so much resist on traps and abilities, not to mention hit rating, that would just be a mess.



-If you think stupid changes that they know will piss off a decent amount players is a good thing, please just off yourself. That's like saying if you own a gas station, and you decide to raise the price 30 cents over night, even though it's disaster it will pass. People will eventually have a breaking point, or they will move to the gas station with a brain.



-Level 1 twinks can kill level 10s, sure, level 15s, sure, and even 20s, no problem. The problem is, half these players are complete failures at there class - Back peddling hunters, mages who just spam arcane explosion and melee, and so forth. You really failed at making a point here, at that level, proper kiting and use of their classes abilities will allow an easy victory.





Please think what you're typing before you hit Submit Reply.
 
Ego said:
Time to dissect this.









-This is an RPG, but they have it set up in a manor so that even on a PvP server, the opposition must flag before attacking, thus resulting in there fault. What you said is pretty much saying it's unfair that 80s can gank lowbies. The game has the PvP mechanic implemented for a reason, not all of us are carebears.



-You apparently don't support any twinking, please get off this site. You treat a level 1 twink like he is different from any other tier. If people die, it's there fault for not having better gear. To prove this to a friend, I rolled a brand new ally on his server, ran to stormwind and accumulated over 500g in just 3 days, so don't give me that "butt thay dunt hav da $$" bullshit. This goes ESPECIALLY on a PvP server, if you are dying in pvp to someone lower level just because of a gear gap, take some time to save some gold and get your gear up to par with theirs and let the hit rating system fix the rest.



-29 kills a 60, I hope you're joking, or the 60 must be a fucking idiot. I really don't see any way that is possible taking in the factors of so much resist on traps and abilities, not to mention hit rating, that would just be a mess.



-If you think stupid changes that they know will piss off a decent amount players is a good thing, please just off yourself. That's like saying if you own a gas station, and you decide to raise the price 30 cents over night, even though it's disaster it will pass. People will eventually have a breaking point, or they will move to the gas station with a brain.



-Level 1 twinks can kill level 10s, sure, level 15s, sure, and even 20s, no problem. The problem is, half these players are complete failures at there class - Back peddling hunters, mages who just spam arcane explosion and melee, and so forth. You really failed at making a point here, at that level, proper kiting and use of their classes abilities will allow an easy victory.





Please think what you're typing before you hit Submit Reply.
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all i can say is... owned
 
and all i can say to hium, you deceive me greatly ego, i thought of all people you'd understand me well here. but instead of that you go ballistic on me when there was strickly no reason to.



to take your words, they made the game this way, their fault = true

that also means they can turn around 180 and switch it back to what they want !



also i said skills + gears make the characters, that clearly was saying that yes people without any of those deserves to be killed, even more if we are on a PVP server.



your gas station thing is the actual way it works and seriously i see people bragging here and there yet they still go there anyway. now you're the one not thinking right with that argument.



again its their games and screw up happens, its not because the players love to play it that way that they have to keep it that way, otherwise the game wouldn't even be here today because it wouldn't have updated for quite some years if that was true ! i suggest you start creating or programming something before you even talk about that.



all i was saying, before you have gone ballistic on me, is that most of what you consider as not necessary, actually was, but it was you who didn't like it. thus making that thing purely your opinion.











back to the original topic...

i'm with boglund here... i dont think they give out achievement just for those level 10+ that would go against the goal of achievement to begin with which is just a new goal to attain. after all achievement barely give any reward besides satisfaction.
 
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