My final decision on weapons+enchants.

[glancealot]

i stealthed all the way to the end of diremaul north, where there are hostile spirits with 1 hp that don't die.



after some extensive testing, the least favorite wins in the end!!! it's sad because now i have to use double skullforge (i only put 2 lifeward on 2 of those...bad decision...) and there goes my 6 second gouge...



mongoose+26 agi

vs

26agi+26agi

vs

icebreaker+26agi (this one is as good as mongoose+26agi apparently, so it's better because it's more bursty)

vs

lifeward+26agi

vs

lifeward+lifeward



apparently, double lifeward wins hands down. dps-wise, it's about 30 dps less, the others being around 430, double lifeward only about 400. but the healing it provides is insane! double lifeward heals about 70~80 per second, couple that with recuperate, we are looking at 375 health per three seconds for combat spec and 300 health per three seconds for sub.(assuming you have 4000 health, 1000AP and here is the spec i used, i always do a 4-CP recuperate first before unloading, just to make it seem more realistic)



data:



dps+total damage. so the duration is the ratio: 72 seconds.

healing, 5823 from lifeward, which means, it heals 5823/72=81 every single second!

 

[glancealot]

Since when did people stop taking screenshots!? Srsly aint that hard, and esp when it comes from you, a clicking rog who has a habit of putting up shitthreads

what do you mean?

 

[Mortox]

Stop spamming and posting usless crap glancelot.

 

[Mortox]

Stop spamming and posting usless crap glancelot.

 

[glancealot]

i would like to bump this thread by explaining some of these wotlk enchants to the 40-49 community:



i would like to direct your attention to two of the "well-known" ruin 49 rogues, Nayrobiisan @ Azgalor - World of Warcraft and http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/azgalor/zanrobiisån/

as you can see, these two people put black magic on MAINHAND and mongoose on OFFHAND.



this is a sign of lack of understanding how enchants work. and i hope my post will improve the understanding of the aforementioned rogues.



black magic has an internal cool down and the proc chance is way higher (the chance of proc'ing when it's NOT on cool down) than mongoose.



on the other hand mongoose has absolutely NO internal cool down whatsoever, and therefore, doesn't have a high proc rate.



so, you should put mongoose on your mainhand and black magic on offhand as this way, black magic will still proc almost whenever it's not on its internal cool down, and you get way more mongoose procs because mainhand does special attacks like ambush/hemo.



while on the other hand, if you put black magic on mainhand and mongoose on offhand, mongoose will most likely almost never proc, and you get just about the same amount of uptime for black magic even tho it's on your mainhand (due to the internal cooldown).



i am glad to have ran into and talked to shankmessiah, who clearly understands the mechanics better as he puts mongoose on mainhand. although he didn't obtain a wotlk-enchantable offhand, i have no doubt that he will perform better than the blackmagic+mongoose rogues.



TL,DR version:



never put something with an internal cooldown on your mainhand if you are a rogue, and no, weapon swap will not make it worth it. (see post 16 and 17 for details)

 

[Sanit]

christ almighty stop posting. no one cares what you have to say. you're another terrible rogue, why do you think otherwise?

 

[elocon]

his trolling.

 

[Mortox]

christ almighty stop posting. no one cares what you have to say. you're another terrible rogue, why do you think otherwise?

This ! Fucking THIS ! I tried to spam as much shit as he does, but my spam got deleted !:O



WONDER WHY ?! ó_Ó

 

[elocon]

Cause your spam is directed to some1?

 

[glancealot]

his trolling.

armory the top rogues, show me one person with blackmagic in MAINHAND.

 

[elocon]

I guess it's a very low % who wear it im mh BUT maybe he only...

• got the slow weapon before patch
  
• enchanted the slow weapon before patch
  
• just bad
  

that dosent change the fact that your a troll.

 

[Falkor]

armory the top rogues, show me one person with blackmagic in MAINHAND.

The World of Warcraft Armory

 

[glancealot]

I guess it's a very low % who wear it im mh BUT maybe he only...

• got the slow weapon before patch
  
• enchanted the slow weapon before patch
  
• just bad
  

that dosent change the fact that your a troll.

1 and 2 are given because you can't put wotlk enchants on those now.



so you are saying he is bad, which i don't completely agree, he is probably just not well-informed.



and how am i a troll again?

 

[whysoserious]

while on the other hand, if you put black magic on mainhand and mongoose on offhand, it will most likely almost never proc, and you get just about the same amount of uptime for black magic even tho it's on your mainhand (due to the internal cooldown).

Keyword "same" i like how you assume Nayrobiisan only has 1 weapon for his mainhand, cause you know he can't switch to a Bone Slicing Hatchet or a Cho'Rush Blade with mongoose with a touch of a simple macro. I know you have a hard for <OoN> and <STATT> checking their armory everyday. Which you swap for the proc every 45 seconds, because its internal cooldown doesn't reset when you equip the weapon.



@Glancelot rofl i checked your armory you're not even hit capped your gear choice is god awful, why are you even talking rofl.

 

[glancealot]

I know you have a hard for <OoN> and <STATT> checking their armory everyday.

I don't have a hard on for them, I simply do a lot of research and theorycrafting.



I follow the armory of the most well known twinks, unnecessarily the best ones, but at the current stage, with no rating/score to keep track of, well-known is the best I can do.

 

[whysoserious]

So you dodged the whole fact he can macro weapon switch with a touch of a keybind, after a proc. GG my job here is done. CY@ bad

 

[glancealot]

So you dodged the whole fact he can macro weapon switch with a touch of a keybind, after a proc. GG my job here is done. CY@ bad

no i didn't dodge that "fact".



you must have never raided, because if you did, you would know that,



a while back, blizzard made it so that equipping your black magic enchanted weapon will mean you have to wait 45 seconds till it can even start to proc again.



because of this, many raiding rogues in my main's guild stopped using black magic in MH. (before this change, you could swap weapon whenever black magic procs)



i guess i need to explain every single detail for my point to get across.

 

[whysoserious]

Which you swap for the proc every 45 seconds, because its internal cooldown doesn't reset when you equip the weapon.

I already said that, rofl please re-read my post. i have come to the conclusion that you have downs my friend.



Pro tip : Get hit capped



COME AT ME BRO

 

[glancealot]

I already said that, rofl please re-read my post. i have come to the conclusion that you have downs my friend.



Pro tip : Get hit capped



COME AT ME BRO

weapon swapping WILL reset the internal cooldown, weapon swapping will reset the internal cooldown back to 45 seconds.

 

[whysoserious]

I have come to the conclusion that you have downs my friend.

I already stated i know him swapping to dual mongoose after black magic proc, he has to WAIT 45 secs swap back and it procs......repeat process.