Mindsets in the 15-19 Community, Satchel Gear, etc..

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After reading that Blacklist thread, I just felt like I wanted to point a litte something out here.









Maybe you drools don’t realize it, but the skill cap in the 15-19 bracket isn’t really hard to reach, and there for it has been reached by a lot of people already. You can keep flaming at each other, but it doesn’t make sense because you’ll be calling other’s noobs based on the fact that YOU know how to perform well in the 15-19 bracket, which is ******* stupidly easy. Focus macro’s aren’t really something to brag about anymore..



I have always played lots of different brackets including mainly level 85 and I can tell you that there is a massive challenge ahead of you beyond level 19. Soon as you did any of the stuff ‘well’ up there, you can come back here and tell people how to do it. And do it in a friendly way as well, no need to be a huge cocky jackass as pretty much everyone around here has become by the looks of it.









Only got a few things to say about the actual Satchel gear. I think Rédrum is a nice guy, a friendly person. Spoke to him about 2 weeks ago and he’s cool. However, I do think he’s at least partially responsible for introducing this bug to the bracket. I can’t exactly remember when but I recall that you we’re trying to make up an excuse for it. Like someone else would have otherwise said it, fine, but in the end it was you. Not that I care but take responsibility for it. No personal offense though! In fact, I would have spread the word 10 times faster if I were the one to discover it.



Oh and while we’re at it, yes I’ve been using Satchel gear on my druid Wildlífe aswell. I’m not saying I won’t use it anymore, I do things for my own reasons and you can hate or love me for it, as asocial (is that spelled correctly even?) as I am in some way, I don’t really care what others think of it. I’m a reasonable person though, and if you want to approach me with your opinion I will always open myself up for it.









Next to all that, I would like to make 2 big compliment’s to the following players.



Erícah:

If you really want to talk about ******* skill in the 15-19 bracket you’re probably going to end up at ‘movement skills’, also called jumps. This guy, is the serious boss of it. I used to be quite a good jumper in The Burning Crusade but there’s a lot of new jumps these days and I’ve tried them all, and I have to say I find some of them really hard. Erícah knows pretty much how to do them all in one shot. Good game mate, you can truly say you master this bracket.



Chíll:

What a hero this is. This dude is friendly and has a good attitude towards pretty much every player. And next to that, he’s also a pretty decent player (haven’t seen him play much but as far as I know). I read some posts of him trying to encourage people to help each other instead of insulting and laughing at people that perform worse than yourself. I really respect that ****. I am currently raidleading a Rated Battlegrounds group (and have been for 3 months already) on my level 85 mage, and we’re at 2180 rating at the moment, probably going to hit 2200 this Sunday (we’re streaming btw!). And I can tell you, NOTHING is as important as this dude keeps saying. Especially if you’re grouped with scrubs, try to motivate and lead them. If people don’t know what to do, tell them what to do. Lead them! Chíll is a true leader!









So buckle up and unite against blizzard as a true twink community! Hooray?



See you in WSG,

Wildlífe aka Chezal aka Blauw (I’m rusty on Blauw, very!)
 
Very good post, I have to say I agree with 99% of what you've said. What's better is you managed to do it in a dignified polite manner without offending anyone. I agree some things are in a sorry state for our bracket atm, but in the EU Flaming Thread (i.e. Buglist one) it's apparent that everyone flaming recognises that the others have skill, just noone wants to face up to this. I have to say its better reading about people arguing over being able to win semi-pug wsgs than silly arena where they could just faceroll with an OP comp. Not saying the flaming itself is good, but I can tell that deep down, these guys secretly love seeing each other in matches cause they know theyre in for (in most cases) a competetive game.
 
Offensive green text is offensive. I went blind reading that, but I think it's a good read. Except for the satchel gear exploits or whatever, that **** is lame.
 
Offensive green text is offensive. I went blind reading that, but I think it's a good read. Except for the satchel gear exploits or whatever, that **** is lame.



Hehe sorry, I prefer the green text because the white/grey text usually bores me and might scare people from reading. Green seems more interesting to me, but that's just me. And it makes it easier to see where the author replies.



Btw I laughed my ass off for about 15 minutes because of your avatar. I LOVE it haha!



Not saying the flaming itself is good, but I can tell that deep down, these guys secretly love seeing each other in matches cause they know theyre in for (in most cases) a competetive game.



Exactly mate, I can absolutely pitch in myself there. For example I have really hated Mesikämmen from day 1, but that might just be thanks to the fact that he might play his druid slightly better then I play mine.
 
Hehe sorry, I prefer the green text because the white/grey text usually bores me and might scare people from reading. Green seems more interesting to me, but that's just me. And it makes it easier to see where the author replies.



Btw I laughed my ass off for about 15 minutes because of your avatar. I LOVE it haha!



It's all good, I was just giving you **** about the text
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And yeah, I chose this because I had the same reaction the first time I saw it. The look on his face is priceless and the caption matches up perfectly.
 
After reading that Blacklist thread, I just felt like I wanted to point a litte something out here.









Maybe you drools don’t realize it, but the skill cap in the 15-19 bracket isn’t really hard to reach, and there for it has been reached by a lot of people already. You can keep flaming at each other, but it doesn’t make sense because you’ll be calling other’s noobs based on the fact that YOU know how to perform well in the 15-19 bracket, which is ******* stupidly easy. Focus macro’s aren’t really something to brag about anymore..



no need to be a huge cocky jackass as pretty much everyone around here has become by the looks of it.



but then Ko wouldn't have anything to say to me.





in all seriousness i agree with 99% of your post. good read
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I came back to 19 after glad pala and top #40 worlds best guild. And the 19 average BG skill lvl is way higher than 85 BG.



Al tho cute post, gjj
 
thank you for the kind words man, <3 remember though, the key difference between 19 and endgame is that positioning is key, and this is something so few people realise.. in endgame, if you use a cd wrong, nps, you have 40% dmg reduction from resilience and seven more cooldowns.. positioning became less significant (although still very important). in 19s', if you play recklessly for a second you're dead! (referring to the skill-cap issue here)! one should always strive to be better, both on a playstyle and communications level!

i agree, the amount of flaming in that thread is really terrible, and it truly makes me sad to see, but yeah, then again, some people genuinely feel like they express in those threads, and if they can't have an outlet on the forums where can they? i dont mind critique, keep it constructive. to OP: thank you for representing whats good

to Vianco: congratulations on glad & top 40 & stuff, i myself just left Inner Sanctum (back when they were #6) so i know where you're comming from ^^
 
Agree with what chill wrote about 19 skill and 85 skill, pve got so boring after so many years of raiding
 
Skillcap? What does that even mean, that you do everything perfectly? Easy to achieve? No.



Dont take me wrong, very nicely written opening post and good thread mate.



Oh and tyvm for the compliment man, really appreciate it
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Though I believe I know why you have hated me since day 1 ^^
 
Nice post OP, and ye the colour blue is a bit of a givaway on your nationality
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I think for some people it is needed to express their feelings about this game and it's players the way they do to keep it interesting for them. If that means more people playing so be it (just something I would find a waste of my time but that's my opinion of course).
 
about the skillcap thing: I think it's just way easier to play some (most) classes today, as it was pre-shattering. Many people start slacking and end up just being carried by class, and therefore arent "skillcapped" in my opinion.I don't mind calling them noobs. The good thing at 19s is, that it is an eternal format, there arent much major changes in gear, and you dont have to level up every year and start from scratch. You logg in and can do PvP (wsg), that's what keeps me at 19s, because once you have your gear you just have to practice wsg. Despite this fact, many people are just terrible bad, even at "clicking just 2 bottoms - you dont need any skill in 19s". It's true that you don't need that much of skill in the average pub game, but once you have competetive players on boths sides, it gets really tricky. And if we all reached the "skillcap" (whatever that is ...) is it really neccesary to loo for exploits and bugs to get an advantage? I am complety happy with just batteling ourselves at max skillcap (<.<). There were always better players and bad players, is it really our job to raise a new generation of 19s? I for myself don't think so. People should realize when they suck, and either try to get better by watching videos, observing other players, reading guides or gtfo. I know it sounds harsh but what's the point in trying to force others to get better if they dont even bother?

confusing text i know, don't take it too searioos, but give it a thought
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Thanks for the new feedback, I'll get back to all this in about half an hour, saw some interesting stuff to read! Going to get some breakfast first though.
 
I came back to 19 after glad pala and top #40 worlds best guild. And the 19 average BG skill lvl is way higher than 85 BG.



Al tho cute post, gjj



Hehe I know this is true, I play a lot of normal battlegrounds on my 85 mage, battlemaster and 100,000 HK. But I was mainly talking about the top 10% of the 85 pvp community there. We all know there is plenty of retards and bots walking around in the 85 bracket, probably much more even as we are used to in our 15-19 bracket, but hey, duhhh, we're a twink bracket? I mean if you look at Arena and Rated Battegrounds I really think there is a lot more to achieve at that level.



You become Gladiator there,

and people call you rank 1 here. (I've seen some I think, mainly wóòt though)



See the difference;)?





remember though, the key difference between 19 and endgame is that positioning is key, and this is something so few people realise.. in endgame, if you use a cd wrong, nps, you have 40% dmg reduction from resilience and seven more cooldowns.. positioning became less significant (although still very important). in 19s', if you play recklessly for a second you're dead! (referring to the skill-cap issue here)! one should always strive to be better, both on a playstyle and communications level!

i agree, the amount of flaming in that thread is really terrible, and it truly makes me sad to see, but yeah, then again, some people genuinely feel like they express in those threads, and if they can't have an outlet on the forums where can they? i dont mind critique, keep it constructive. to OP: thank you for representing whats good



Very correct about the positioning part, that is indeed far the most important at 85 I guess. And I support a healthy competition but you have to draw the line somewhere. I just think we should still be focused on remaining a solid community at the moment. It's not like we have an infinite queue up already.



Btw who or what is OP? Sorry for the nubbyness.
 
There were always better players and bad players, is it really our job to raise a new generation of 19s? I for myself don't think so. People should realize when they suck, and either try to get better by watching videos, observing other players, reading guides or gtfo. I know it sounds harsh but what's the point in trying to force others to get better if they dont even bother?

confusing text i know, don't take it too searioos, but give it a thought
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I partially agree. I'd say it's not our task to make them better. However, I do think it is important to keep motivating players to play our bracket just to keep it alive, we all like fast queue's right? It's in our own benefit. The skillcap thing was just something to point out that most of the arguements in this bracket are crap, it isn't that important;D.
 

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