Just another 19 bracket

[Blinka]

Just another 19's bracket it seems. How so? Let me explain.

Maturity level seems to be decreasing as more and more roll 24's. This 20-24 bracket used to be mainly level 20's. Now due to players coming in with 4 level advantage, full enchants, and profession bonuses that free to play don't get, the bracket just isn't as fun for players and they begin to migrate out.

Yeah, yeah its a free to play bracket blah blah blah, they should just pay for the game and join the level 24's. If it wasn't for the hard work of the free to plays earning their honor and creating games 24/7 you wouldn't have a bracket.

Graveyard farming was part of the problem that has brought in the baddies and mob mentality relying on gear and mentioned advantages over a free to play character. How, you ask? It's simple math vs the here and now farmfest mentality.

Lets say you have 5 man group or a dominant force on a faction. Do you graveyard cap for honor or do you 3 cap? 3 cap is better to get your honor. With a dominant group que or faction you can win usually in about 8 mins for about 50 honor give or take on time and honor gained. In 25 mins of a graveyard farmfest you get maybe 100 if you were there from the start. 8 min avg x 3 games at 50 honor per game is 150 honor in same amount of time or faster.

The graveyard farmfest mentality just brings in the mob mentality and more problems than it solves for the free to play and 20-24 bracket.

What is lacking on both factions is the maturity that it would take to create the thriving fun bracket it once was as the maturer players stop playing. Other brackets have bracket induced fair play rules for the benefit of the bracket and games. If the opposite faction is down xyz players, then many times you will see the other faction go to a visible spot out of play until numbers equalize. 19's have the tendency to play ONLY to win. Thus you see the afkers leave in the middle of the game cause of rage quit or whatever justified reasoning they come up with only to reque on the dominant faction atm. It even goes as far as faction swappers just to be on the dominant side. Though free to play cant faction change. Until the maturity it takes to put the bracket first, will games become more competitive.

Many that are after steamrolls and more tilted games in their favor play current overpowered classes or have gone off to play vs the free to plays as level 24s, or brackets where there is a 4 level advantage in a bracket.

Think about it.

TLDR: 100 honor vs 150 honor averages

 

[DubbsBegins]

no matter what bracket we go to, its the same game

 

[Junoo]

There is a any easy way to solve this, pay for wow and there is no problem. well minus the maturity level.

 

[BMTPPK]

It doesnt matter.Back in BC, we used to farm all the time, we would get farmed back. Nothing has changed, possibly never will, but the amount or worser players is increasing(due to f2p's and generally bad people, you can buy a full geared paladin(or any class) for $$ on websites. I had lvl 85 players ask me things which are well....elementary per se. (not like its hard to dink to lvl 85 by powerlvling in a week,so they can be new and lvl 85, friends acc, etc)


I guess some just want to let their frustration out on the f2p's , or feel good about themselves. "hey, i just reached a 60-0 killstreak on those f2p nubz!@!!@i am proud". Dddddddominating!!!...i mean when i play CoD you get "advanced UAV inbound, 11 killstreak, etc, you feel good about yourself, eh? I guess they get the same feel to it, just a different game. Might as well go back to COD which is more skill-based instead of gear based...(inb4 campfest is skill)

 

[The Saint]

this is gonna sound like f2p v p2p, but i play f2p as well as p2p.

you dont get to play free and expect blizz to give you your own bracket, all the other problems every bracket has.

it sucks to have 24s in your games, but 60/70/80s as to put up with 64/74/84s.

 

[thurghul]

this is gonna sound like f2p v p2p, but i play f2p as well as p2p.

you dont get to play free and expect blizz to give you your own bracket, all the other problems every bracket has.

it sucks to have 24s in your games, but 60/70/80s as to put up with 64/74/84s.

If most 24's hate F2P accounts and farm,camp, and grief them trying to get them to quit, wouldn't it make sense to appease them and put them in there own bracket?

If GW2 is good, its going to seriously hurt this bracket. Then the 24's will be crying because the queue times are in the hours.

F2P 20's made this bracket. If Blizzard bumped the max level to 25 for F2P for MOP, do you think this bracket will have the same pops for BG's?

 

[Blinka]

If most 24's hate F2P accounts and farm,camp, and grief them trying to get them to quit, wouldn't it make sense to appease them and put them in there own bracket?

If GW2 is good, its going to seriously hurt this bracket. Then the 24's will be crying because the queue times are in the hours.

F2P 20's made this bracket. If Blizzard bumped the max level to 25 for F2P for MOP, do you think this bracket will have the same pops for BG's?

Exactly. Without an opponent no one gets games. Let's farm them into not requeing or make the loss bearable and get a new game for a chance to get a competitive game.

 

[The Saint]

If most 24's hate F2P accounts and farm,camp, and grief them trying to get them to quit, wouldn't it make sense to appease them and put them in there own bracket?

at what point does anyone say they hate f2ps? no you shouldnt get your own bracket unless paying customers do.

If GW2 is good, its going to seriously hurt this bracket. Then the 24's will be crying because the queue times are in the hours.

they'll probably play gw2, but i dont see it hurting like rift and or starwars didn't.

F2P 20's made this bracket. If Blizzard bumped the max level to 25 for F2P for MOP, do you think this bracket will have the same pops for BG's?

then they'll go 29? and not so long ago you would have been vs 29s.

like i said i play f2p, but lots of f2s think there entitled to more than ppl who pay blizzards staffs wages, with out them there would be no wow.

 

[Shft]

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[The Saint]

Exactly. Without an opponent no one gets games. Let's farm them into not requeing or make the loss bearable and get a new game for a chance to get a competitive game.

again not just a f2p issue.

 

[thurghul]

at what point does anyone say they hate f2ps? no you shouldnt get your own bracket unless paying customers do.

Go read the 24's posting in the 20-24 section of the forum.
If you are a 24, you are a paying customer. If they hate "20 F2P's" in there bracket, appease the paying customers and put F2P in there own bracket.

they'll probably play gw2, but i dont see it hurting like rift and or starwars didn't.

SWTOR doesn't have a F2P, if they did though it would be pretty cool. I actually love Hutt Ball

then they'll go 29? and not so long ago you would have been vs 29s.

How's that 29's bracket working out? Scheduling BG's on a tuesday night, otherwise non-existant queues

like i said i play f2p, but lots of f2s think there entitled to more than ppl who pay blizzards staffs wages, with out them there would be no wow.

How do F2P's think they are entitled to anything? How was this bracket when there was no F2P people? Oh, it didn't exist.

 

[C O T U S]

no way, not even close. 19s is way, way worse than this. not even a good trolling attempt. 2/10.

 

[Druiddroid]

no way, not even close. 19s is way, way worse than this. not even a good trolling attempt. 2/10.

every time i go on that forum, my face twitches for every time i see the word "tink"... i end up spazzing out

 

[Blinka]

no way, not even close. 19s is way, way worse than this. not even a good trolling attempt. 2/10.

By no means was this a trolling attempt. Just a heads up before it becomes like the 19's

 

[The Saint]

Go read the 24's posting in the 20-24 section of the forum.
If you are a 24, you are a paying customer. If they hate "20 F2P's" in there bracket, appease the paying customers and put F2P in there own bracket.

the 24 forum is full of hate because.

1: its full of kids
2: f2ps do there share of trolling there
3: you seen what f2ps say to 24s the second they join a bg?

SWTOR doesn't have a F2P, if they did though it would be pretty cool. I actually love Hutt Ball

but rift and a few others do.

How's that 29's bracket working out? Scheduling BG's on a tuesday night, otherwise non-existant queues

dont know dont care, you asked what would happen to 24s if f2p was capped at 25, they'd go 29, still 4 lvls gap and 29s can get mongoose chant(i think)

How do F2P's think they are entitled to anything? How was this bracket when there was no F2P people? Oh, it didn't exist.

because they do, they want there own bracket, they want p2p to come boost em grp em and w/e else, but be in there own little bracket away from p2s.

how would this bracket be without paying customers, you cant grp and blizz would have no money to develop there game, and if the whole of wow goes f2p it'll die like other f2p mmo's

 

[Gingerbred]

no way is 20-24 better than 15-19
in eu at least 20-24 is horrendous;
every game is a GY farm
90% of players are god awful
occasional botters
less class diversity
alliance side has far more players than horde
hunters are even more OP
thats all i can think of for now

 

[The Saint]

no way is 20-24 better than 15-19
in eu at least 20-24 is horrendous;
every game is a GY farm
90% of players are god awful
occasional botters
less class diversity
alliance side has far more players than horde
hunters are even more OP
thats all i can think of for now

this, no way would i play a 20 in the eu, all you get is alli hunters and pallys.

i play 24s eu f2p us.

 

[C O T U S]

every time i go on that forum, my face twitches for every time i see the word "tink"... i end up spazzing out

seriously, it's painful for me to read as a human being. the people who post in that forum and actually still play 19s have to be the some of the most genuinely weird, socially inept individuals out there. i'm not even trying to be mean. they are just really, really fucking strange.

and level 19 hunters with 45% base crit are no better than level 20 hunters who can global people with explosive shot. honestly, i can't even believe people still do battlegrounds in either of these brackets (no, i'm not trying to start an argument about BGs).

 

[The Saint]

seriously, it's painful for me to read as a human being. the people who post in that forum and actually still play 19s have to be the some of the most genuinely weird, socially inept individuals out there. i'm not even trying to be mean. they are just really, really fucking strange.

and level 19 hunters with 45% base crit are no better than level 20 hunters who can global people with explosive shot. honestly, i can't even believe people still do battlegrounds in either of these brackets (no, i'm not trying to start an argument about BGs).

i love your sig, yet you choose to arena with ppl whos probably never had a char above lvl20, never mind done a competitive arena.

in a thread a few weeks ago you was telling ppl to bot to gear up so they could arena, srsly mate if you dislike this game so much quit. because you're the one coming off has weird to me.

 

[C O T U S]

i love your sig, yet you choose to arena with ppl whos probably never had a char above lvl20, never mind done a competitive arena.

in a thread a few weeks ago you was telling ppl to bot to gear up so they could arena, srsly mate if you dislike this game so much quit. because you're the one coming off has weird to me.

looooooool

shouldn't you be calling me a "tink" or something? or is it supposed to be a term of endearment? i honestly can't tell