I got a question

[potatoez]

So, I saw that some ppl like Kiraush stayed at 20 but kept guild looms and enchants, and the f2p community isn't frowning at that since he rolled a lock after all. Ofc if he did that with a hunter he would have gotten a lesser positive feedback from the f2p community.But he rolled a lock which is imho acceptable. So my question is what other classes would you not mind seeing do the same thing? A warrior or a shadow priest fully loomed and enchanted but at lvl 20? Since they kinda blow currently

 

[Shft]

So, I saw that some ppl like Kiraush stayed at 20 but kept guild looms and enchants, and the f2p community isn't frowning at that since he rolled a lock after all. Ofc if he did that with a hunter he would have gotten a lesser positive feedback from the f2p community.But he rolled a lock which is imho acceptable. So my question is what other classes would you not mind seeing do the same thing? A warrior or a shadow priest fully loomed and enchanted but at lvl 20? Since they kinda blow currently

If he uses p2p enchants and gear he might as well be 24.

tl;dr: I'm frowning

 

[Klinda]

If he uses p2p enchants and gear he might as well be 24.

tl;dr: I'm frowning

Pretty much this, even though that 70 sp enchant doesn't work the concept still applies, he even has the boa helm. I have the highest degree of respect for people who solely restrict themselves to f2p like cer does

 

[babouchka]

lvl20 players with heirloom head & bc enchants makes me thing of people trying to loose weight and eating "half" cheeseburgers at mcdonalds ; makes no sense.

of course i rather have those kind of players than lvl24s.

and to roll underpowered classes, i guess it's ok.

 

[allahkazam]

I've asked quite a bit about using the BoA helm but everything else being f2p enchants/gear and have gotten a pretty mixed response.

Also lauding someone like Cer even though he has grandfathered geared that you'd have to basically have a really old trial laying around with that gear on it to get it on a f2p now is sorta like a double standard. f2p cannot get jutebraids and can't get Aquarius Belt right? Cer is a swell guy don't get me wrong but if we are being sticklers for using things only f2ps can use GF gear is probably pretty high on the list.

I personally don't care as long as someone is geared, but there are purists that would whine if someone was p2p and helped the community out by partying, doing runs, etc. and their 20 had the BoA helm instead of LFH. To me the BoA helm is on par with the eye patch so it should be fair game.

 

[Shft]

I've asked quite a bit about using the BoA helm but everything else being f2p enchants/gear and have gotten a pretty mixed response.

Also lauding someone like Cer even though he has grandfathered geared that you'd have to basically have a really old trial laying around with that gear on it to get it on a f2p now is sorta like a double standard. f2p cannot get jutebraids and can't get Aquarius Belt right? Cer is a swell guy don't get me wrong but if we are being sticklers for using things only f2ps can use GF gear is probably pretty high on the list.

I personally don't care as long as someone is geared, but there are purists that would whine if someone was p2p and helped the community out by partying, doing runs, etc. and their 20 had the BoA helm instead of LFH. To me the BoA helm is on par with the eye patch so it should be fair game.

Technically, he's just as f2p as Kale is. BoA helm instead of LFH seems different to me though. You do have a point with it being on par with the eyepatch but that's just not doing it for me.

You armory Cer and you find a twink that has been worked on over years, and you armory Kiraush and find 2 hours of effort. Kiraush has made next to no effort yet he has almost 20 sp over my mage with hks

(Not a reflection on either's personality, but that matters too)

 

[Ulfric]

We should all just play naked, then everything is fair.

 

[DubbsBegins]

I am a F2P lock
you dont need to be p2p with their shitty enchants to be good with warlocks
if you aren't going to gear/enchant like F2Ps, just go lvl24 and have fun with it... and run away from F2P community

 

[Omgwtfsap]

I welcome p2ps that want to be part of our community whether its a 24 or 20 with extra gear. They are on our side so no harm and more power to us. We benefit from having someone to form groups.

Pretty much this, even though that 70 sp enchant doesn't work the concept still applies, he even has the boa helm. I have the highest degree of respect for people who solely restrict themselves to f2p like cer does

Where do you draw the line with restrictions. Does he follow f2p restrictions to the fullest ie no mail or AH with 100 cap on primary professions. Or does he carry his f2p with a p2p account if they are seperate. I would not justify " a twink that has been worked on over years" vs " 2 hours" as a reason to single out Kiraush or other newly formed twinks. Furthermore I would hate to see attacks on him such as banning him on f2p chat or in game trolling like people trolling in the forums and telling him to

> I am a F2P lock
you dont need to be p2p with their shitty enchants to be good with warlocks
if you aren't going to gear/enchant like F2Ps, just go lvl24 and have fun with it... and run away from F2P community

Of coarse this is my stance and my opinion and I respect other views on this topic of what is acceptable from a p2p. I think we should agree to not to alieanate certain players by trolling both ingame and in the forums and if you want to do no part with them to kindly ignore them or not participate in events with them. Furthermore to not go out and beyond to create an unenjoyable experience to p2ps who want to hang out with f2ps in Ap.

 

[Jdoring]

I don't think p2ps should like go full chants a level 20... Because Mean for all intensive purposes, it makes no sense. If you're gonna do that nobody will arena with you, and if nobody will arena with you, might as well go 24. Although I do see the justification for wearing boa helm, especially for horse toons or cloth toons, because unless they somehow get lucky and catch hat, they could be stuck with 4 Stam 4 hit for a very long time.. And I mean they pay for the game, just be happy they aren't 24 like they very well could be.

 

[Mrcer]

If he uses p2p enchants and gear he might as well be 24.

tl;dr: I'm frowning

Agreed. There's no point in being 20 if ur gonna gear as a 24. Using BoA helm and BoA cloak, and all the P2P enchantments is so utterly Overpowered; there's hardly any difference in stats as a 20 than there is 24.

Either gear as a F2P, or just go 24 imo. I have about the same amount of respect for people who are 24s as those who are 20s in P2P gear; which is little to none.

I won't dish out any hate to 24s, it's completely your choice of how you want to gear your twinks. But imo, you will never be truly accepted into the F2P as a P2P 20 if you use P2P gear/enchantments.



EDIT: I know a lot of people who tell me: "You're gimping yourself by being a lvl 20 instead of 24" It's a choice to be a lvl 20 who wants to gear as a F2P, it's a challenging experience especially when you have to fight a lvl 24 twink. I do not consider this gimping yourself, but as a new challenge with twinking.

However, you're gimping yourself by going 20 instead of 24 and still using P2P gear/enchantments instead of restricting yourself to F2P gear/enchantments. There's no sense of challenge.

It would be no different than twinking at level 25 instead of 29, you're just gimping yourself.

 

[pinochet]

I'm solidly in the "don't care as long as it isn't a powerful class" camp. Specifics would depend on both the class and enchant in question. For example, I'd be okay with dps warriors using higher stam enchants on boots, bracer, HP chest, but Crusader would be crossing a line.

It's also context-dependent to an extent. Class power is different in arenas, and I could see a warlock (etc) being asked to take off his illegal gear for arena.

I'm also good with all p2ps using different-faction gear via faction change, or horde leather wearers using stained shadowcraft cap, since it's statted almost identically to skillpatch. As far as I am concerned, if the the gear is available to f2p or basically identical to f2p gear, I'm not going to get hung up on the technicalities of illegal gearsets.

These are just my views. A p2p playing by my rules will get no criticism from me, but I'd expect criticism from the purists and wouldn't care enough to defend my viewpoint in chat.

 

[Rhaellia]

A lot of the people who seem to not care also appear to have a serious case of eyepatch-itis. Some of you are soooo biased I don't even know how to describe it. These are the same people who complain about 24s but when they're horde 24s it's alright. I don't want either on my team (alliance or horde I don't care), I'd rather face an army of 24s or P2Ps with full gear and have none on my team and lose miserably then have them on my team and win. It cheapens the game for me.

 

[Preeztess]

I would agree with the whole 'underpowered' class opinion, IF there weren't amazing F2P warlocks that can stand toe-to-toe with any class. People like Hu and others know how to play their class.

 

[Buckeye]

stats scale better at 20 then they do at 24.
the only thing staying at 20 does is restrict your abilities so you have the same as the f2ps.
i've never seen someone say "aww shit. we have a geared 24 on our team. this blows. /camp"

 

[Preeztess]

stats scale better at 20 then they do at 24.
the only thing staying at 20 does is restrict your abilities so you have the same as the f2ps.
i've never seen someone say "aww shit. we have a geared 24 on our team. this blows. /camp"

Then you've never been in a BG with me.

 

[Buckeye]

fair enough.
though the last one i ran tonight was annoying.
i had the first 2 caps, and the 2 24s, one of whom had picked up the flag, decided to set up shop in the GY and farm away.
eventually he died. we didn't get the 3rd cap, even though i asked them to either cap or let me do it. time ran out.
so yeah. 24s coming in just to farm. not cool. just finish the damn thing and queue again.

 

[Shft]

A lot of the people who seem to not care also appear to have a serious case of eyepatch-itis. Some of you are soooo biased I don't even know how to describe it. These are the same people who complain about 24s but when they're horde 24s it's alright. I don't want either on my team (alliance or horde I don't care), I'd rather face an army of 24s or P2Ps with full gear and have none on my team and lose miserably then have them on my team and win. It cheapens the game for me.

Like Faith, people act like he is a gift to the twinks of wsg, while all he does is ruin every single one he plays